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As unfortunate as it is no one who defend the BLM movement will be moved by your work here. It is a movement based on lies, deception, and a hidden agenda. That agenda is to be able to impose federal standards on local police agencies as part of a social justice scheme. The details of Obama's plan for that can be found here.

It does nothing more than move this country to nationalizing local police. People like Al Sharpton said:

“That’s why we’re going to do this march from here to Washington. We need the Justice Department to step in and take over policing in this country,” Sharpton said."

Communists are certainly pushing this issue as can be seen here.

 

Welcome to the CHANGE that so many of you (?) voted for in 08!
Are things going like you thought/hoped??:1_grouphug:

 

Hate to be the one to tell you SW, but you are spinning your wheels!

 

That's one website and the wordings of one group of people. There is no official hierarchy to BLM so you're bound to get some stuff that might not sound so great as you 're dealing with a MOVEMENT, not an organization.

I believe you're looking at something old. That's been up for a long time.

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Lots of white people believe that. To black people, there has been and continues to be a systemic pattern. And telling them that the same system that is killing them and rigged to(not only allow cops to get away with murder again and again no matter what the black people say and have said) not even allow due process by trial to take place does not bode well in convincing them that white people are doing anything in all honesty.

Now stop being silly. You see all of the things that are now starting to pop up on video( i.e. cops shooting fleeing people in the back, or folks suddenly dead in squad cars), this isn't new.

This is stuff that people in the black communities have said for years was going on. Now they just happen to be fed up with it.

Why would anyone trust the numbers from the system that's rigged to keep police officers from being charged? Would you expect to see systemic numbers if police and DAs and judges are working together to essentially rig the system?Would you expect anything other than things being classified as a "clean shooting" when the DA who works with the officers have trained the policeman's union about what to have officers put in their reports to keep from going to trial?

It has everything to do with race. White people just don't want to accept that there are a lot of racist white people in charge and running the legal system and that the system has been set up to kill and enslave black men the same way that slavery did for almost 400 years.

When the police and the DAs and the judges are all "friends" like in Ferguson and a lot of these other areas, why would anyone expect there to be due process meted out justly?

Again, it's a movement, it's not an organization like some would catalog the GOP or the Black Panthers.

They seem to be saying that they want all those funds to militarize the police put back into black communities that they have harassed and discriminated disproportionately against.

Again, it's a MOVEMENT. One of the problems they have is that they aren't centralized. People saying "Black Lives Matter" don't have to adhere to what's on that board or to what their directives are.

Until there is some type of leadership hierarchy developed and an actual organization is formed to lobby to actually do things, you will continue to read a lot of stuff that is disjointed and not necessarily the way to go about doing things.

The Civil Rights movement established such a structure and they were very focused about what they were trying to accomplish. Some leaders will have to be developed or born to take the reigns and make this happen for the BLM movement also if it is to sustain itself and be fruitful.

 

Exactly my point. Thank you Sapper.

BTW, it's not the reports that paint the police in a bad light. It's bad/corrupt cops that paint the police in a bad light.

 

No. It's the wordings and website of someone who created a hashtag. They didn't start the movement. They created a hashtag.

Again, you're confusing the musings of someone who created a hashtag with someone who is the voice of the movement. The movement is bigger than what the hashtag creators were trying to do. And they frankly don't know what they are doing. It's not up to date because they don't know how to lead and establish structure and purpose.

Again, this is part of the problem. How are you or any other white person gonna tell them that their perception is wrong when they are the ones who have been living it?

Did you read anything that I wrote in the other response? Why do you expect to find evidence in a rigged system controlled by the same people Blacks have said are systemically doing these things?

That's like saying I'm gonna check with Catholic priests to see if there is a record of sexual abuse . Would you expect individuals to be keeping records of how they molested little boys so that someone like you could check the "evidence"?

The system is rigged to avoid due process for the black victims so what evidence did you think you were gonna find?

See the above. If you are discriminately killing folks and the DA and judge are working with you to avoid due process, what sort of evidence were you expecting to openly and honestly find?

Then you deal with corruption. The black community sees race because they are the ones being killed,unarmed, by the police. Not white men. Not white women. But Black men and women.

I don't see why this concept is so difficult.

Sources that have for decades played a part in rigging the system. You keep going on about the lack of evidence you found for this systemic behavior. The information that BLM presented and that you looked at are from the system that's doing the killing.

If you want to know the truth, go to some black communities around the country and ask them what cops have been doing for decades and getting away with? See if that aligns with your unfound evidence. It won't.

Perhaps. But I don't think the black community has seen the militarized police going up against white civilians.

Then you're choosing to listen to what the people who are rigging the system are saying while ignoring the folks being victimized.

They founded a hashtag. They didn't found a movement.

You asked. I was just trying to explain to you what they were saying because you apparently didn't get it. And you just think I'm radical because I don't have a problem calling a spade a spade.

And once again, this is the official website of the founders of a hashtag.

??? Are you okay? Where have I said anything about being aligned with them?

I'm confused right now as to why you would even be telling this lie. I make it a point to NOT align myself with organizations. And there is nowhere in my comments where that changed.

Again, I have no idea what you're talking about as far as being "aligned" with them.

Again Sapper, what are you talking about? Who said anything about aligning with them?

 

Sapper, no one can help you with this except Jesus Christ Himself. Like so may white people, you refuse to acknowledge the wickedness right before your eyes being perpetrated upon black people by white people in power.

And yes, it is willful ignorance because to acknowledge that there is a systemic racism that causes Blacks to be treated differently by the white teachers who predominantly teach them, by the white school administrators who predominantly discipline them and categorize them, by the predominantly white run colleges that might grant them admission, by the predominantly white run job market that might hire them, by the predominantly white run police forces that profile based upon what predominantly white run media describe them to be, by the DAs working with predominantly white police forces and predominantly white judges who all bypass the due process and evade trials, it's flat out crazy and borderline sad that you and others can willfully deny that, and somehow fix your mouths to say that there isn't systemic racism against Blacks.

There IS a problem. You don't want to acknowledge that there is a problem because the evidence of the rigged system that is the problem isn't convincing you.

Gosh you think black folks just like getting killed by police officers?You think black folks just like being locked up more than their white counterparts who commit the same crimes but somehow don't get placed into the system?

Yes we'd be wise to fix it. But again, being willfully ignorant of the problem that Black folks have said for decades exists, while folks like you continue to deny it, says that you're just typing words and don't care anything about what they are saying is their reality.

That's consistent with what Blacks have heard from a lot of white people in America. That's how Black Lives Matters was born.

Because as you've demonstrated, the Black Lives don't matter enough to you and a lot of white people to allow you to see past the blind spot that Black people can attest to what is being done to them and what has been done to them far better than the folks who rig the system to make it look like there was justice because the police officer feared for his life.

Again, we're going in circles here. When you've got white people rigging the system and then getting rich off the prison system that they have created, who exactly would you think they would put in those jails disproportionately?

And you can stop with the per capita stuff. That's just a lame white man's trick to make it look like black people are more violent than white people.

If some of yall and the police were so concerned about the violent crime, then there would be extra policing of the folks who commit far more violent crimes.

THIS is why white people like to talk about the per capita stuff because it takes the spotlight off the fact that police are more heavily pursuing Blacks because of this false "more violent" per capita narrative that white men have created.

One might add that if the police were policing the folks who were committing far more violent crimes than Blacks at the same rates that they do Blacks that the 30% number would not be what it is.

Do you understand discrimination? When folks are focused on you ad not someone else, they are gonna see what you're doing while ignoring the somebody else. So yes the 30% rate is a symptom of the very systemic racism that you say there is no evidence to be found.

Stop being obtuse. Who is leeching?They are being placed in jail and enslaved as black people were doing slavery. What was the point of slavery?

Your willful ignorance doesn't necessarily have anything to do with racism. It does however show (and I know you don't like this term) a white privileged perspective on why you think Blacks are being locked up more than Whites.

Nobody negates any of that. But when the system polices them differently based upon skin color, it's noticeable. And right now, it's very noticeable.

So. It hasn't stopped you or anybody else from living a life that has been vastly superior to that of the average black person economically based upon accumulated and passed on wealth and opportunities that were built on the backs of slaves.

But despite all that, you are still in a better position societally than the average black man. But this is irrelevant.

White privilege allowed you to be able to go ask friends who could help. Economics has often times robbed black people of that ability. So what do you do when no one you know has any food and you're all hungry? What do you do when there is no truck to sleep in?

But again, this is irrelevant.

Maybe, again, because of economics, you had options a lot of them do not. It's like folks asking why so many Backs spend time in jail while their white counterparts bond out? Well when your friends and family are as economically disadvantaged as you are, there is no house or collateral or savings account upon which to rely so the white people go home and the black people go to jail.

Or when you can pay for an attorney but the black person has to use the public defender who really isn't trying to do anything but get the case out the way?

If you're white, you're privileged in ways you haven't even considered regardless of those past circumstances. you STILL had options. The average black person just doesn't.

You and a large part of white people have been denying it since the 50s because to not deny it, would mean that you'd have to admit that somebody was doing what they said. well lo and behold cell phones arrive and the videos are showing that what is being doe repeatedly is exactly what Black folks have said for darn near 70 years now.

But STILL, just like after the church in Birmingham was bombed, STILL folks like you willfully ignore the truth.

Gosh I don't care about them calling folks racists. There is something in the heart of men that's just extremely wicked to be able to sit back and look at this type of injustice and try to deny it, and then get upset because the people who are seeing folks who look like them get killed again and again and again get upset.

Of course it's about power. The white people in many jurisdictions have the power because they have the numbers and that's why there hasn't been any equality economically or judicially. People aren't gonna treat you equally unless someone who wields some power forces them to do so.

That's one of the issues the right has with Barack Obama. He's been messing with the power structure.

You can dismiss the reality of Black people as irrelevant or "unevidenced" and white people will 9 times out of 10 agree with you.

White people have gotten really good at marginalizing black people and their experiences.

That's NOT racism.

Again, how does white America think it can tell the people who are having these things done to THEM that it's unwarranted?

There's that white privilege again because you and a lot of white America feel as though if it ain't YOUR reality, then there's no possible way that there could be any truth to it. And you immediately think that the experiences which you marginalized of the black people can't possibly be the truth.

Nope. Try as much as you and a lot of white folks will, it's white vs black. Try as much as yall will to not talk about it, to not deal with it, to scream race baiter about anyone who will, it is about race.

A lot of white America just isn't ready to deal with it.

That's because that's YOUR experience. That happens all the time for white people. The black experience doesn't often follow that script of going from homeless to middle class for a lot of reasons better left to another thread.

You keep saying that as though you're trying to convince yourself that you're open to it. You're not as you've totally dismissed the reality of black people as evidence.

 

I am of the mind that Sapper Woody is one of this site's most thoughtful and insightful posters. That notion has been reinforced with this thread.

 

And right here again is where you refuse to listen ironically. It's your reality that's been accepted during Jim Crow and now by the masses of folks who call themselves Christians. There will be and can be no meeting of the minds because, like you, the white people in the majority will continue to marginalize and dismiss anything that black people say because it's not YOUR reality.

They dismiss yours because YOURS isn't the truth that they are living day to day. They dismiss yours because people who have said the same things as you have dismissed theirs for over 400 years in this country. I don't know how better to explain it to you. White people run everything in this country and always have. You want a meeting of the minds, for what? So that you can reinforce that the white people in power don't care what the black people are experiencing? Or so that it can once again be dismissed as though nothing is happening?

Nope.But I'll play anyway.

That's fine. But that is NOT how the exchange took place.

A more accurate display of the exchange was:

They told you what their experience is.
You dismissed it because your experience didn't show you any evidence that you believed "warranted' their reaction.

Right here is why you and those like you will never get anywhere with black people. You're dismissive of what they say and white folks have in large part been dismissive of what they say for 400 years in this country. But then you wonder why there can't be a meeting of the minds when you continue the same pattern of marginalization that's taken place in this country for 400 years.
You even went so far as to make it look as though I was aligning with them.

You're being dishonest. You dismissed what they said from the start because YOU haven't seen any evidence.

You haven't asked for an exchange of experiences. The White privilege you displayed said to Blacks I'm gonna tell you what your experience is because you obviously don't know any better than to believe you're experiencing one thing when you're not.

Your data is rigged. If the system is systemically racist and discriminatory towards Blacks in its practices, what is your data gonna show other than what the folks who rigged the system towards Blacks want it to show?

You should accept it in the same way that you started your dismissive approach to what they said as just an "ignorance of the facts".

You IMMEDIATELY dismissed and attempted to marginalize what they said, but now you wonder why what you said is summarily dismissed as irrelevant?

You did what white folks have been doing for 400 years and then tried to flip as though they were being dismissive of your experience when it is YOU who immediately dismissed theirs.

Again, just stop. You were dismissive from the start so I don't see why you keep trying to make it look like you were open to a discussion of what they said when you IMMEDIATELY claimed they were malicious and perhaps just ignorant of the facts.

 

He is indeed. But that doesn't negate that he has done the same thing with what folks in the BLM movement have said as white folks have done to Blacks since they were brought to this country. And that is marginalize them and anything they say as less important or less true than what the white man is saying.

And I think people are so used to doing that , that often times they don't even realize what they are doing.

 

There is only one reality and one truth. There are however, many perceptions. Neither are the same thing. Blacks are not in fact being murdered by police any more than anyone else. It is being presented that way because of the push for social justice. Social Justice if a communist agenda to push for change away from capitalism and toward socialism.

There is no doubt that some believe what is being perpetrated as police brutatlity. These are low information citizens willing to be stirred up and used as pawns by the BLM and guys like Sorros.

I have news for them all. They are not getting a dime from white people. We are not going to make anything easier for anyone. Live with it. If you want to succeed then work hard, do what is necessary to get ahead, make sacrifices to do it, and stop whinning. The only thing the BLM is doing is making people mad. That will not work out well for them.

 

I do not, after reviewing his posts in this thread, see any evidence of that which you accuse him of. You have no foot to stand on, and are grabbing at straws to support your case.

Sapper Woody has bested your claim with his observation.

 

Of course you don't . :laugh:

i pointed out exactly what he did and you don't WANT to see it. It's the willful ignorance of which Sapper spoke.

And I say again, this is what white people specifically have done with what black people have said for 400 years.

And like you're doing right now, the other white people come along and pat each other on the back and say to Sapper, I agree with you. There's no way you were doing what they say you were doing. So you're right and they are wrong.


Gosh you just perfectly illustrated what I said about how the system is rigged. One white person supports what the other white person says or does and it becomes the accepted truth, and what the Black person would have said, is dismissed.

That's EXACTLY how Blacks are treated in a judicial system that is rigged against them.

But when the powers that be are AMENing each other, nothing the black person says is believed.

He hasn't bested anything. You're just perfectly illustrating how white people collectively come together to dismiss what Black people have said in the past. And like what you attempted to do, white folks in power in the judicial system do all the time.

DAs train policemen what to put in their reports to escape prosecution because they work together. The system is rigged and you again perfectly illustrated how.

 

No, you choose to ignore the fact that not every white person is not a racist. You categorically accuse others based on skin color. You are prejudiced. You are guilty of the sin that you claim to crusade against.

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