Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

[Me2]

Howdy Frogman,
Sorry for the delay

Show me where death and hell give up their dead, then show me where the Lake of Fire gives up its spiritual dead.

First: to be removed from death means you have been resurrected from spiritual death.
We have the first resurrection. The firstfruits… and the second resurrection. Every other human being not of the firstfruits. And they proceed to be judged. (die and then Judgement)

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

OK..we see a great multitude stand before the throne. “Standing” being delivered from death and hell.

This is their resurrection yet their judged and cast into the lake of fire. This is their moment of purging sin. Of purifying their works. Burning away the wood,hay and stubble.

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Next who is trying them. Who is their judge?. God? Yes and..the bride. The overcomers. The sons of God from the first resurrection.

1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

To become purifyed in the lake those within the lake must pass through the flames of the fire.

Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

That’s the firstfruits. The sons of God. Flames of fire in the lake of fire…..

Now how do we as sons of God are removed out of these purifying flames of fire?
As well as those in this lake of fire and brimstone in the second resurrection. How can they escape the flames.? They don’t. this is a metaphore for being “in Christ”

This is our metaphorical “abode”.

Now the blasphemers. We know that these are also thrown into this lake. Yet can they escape its purifying flames? No.


Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.

In the next age (lake) to come is the judging of Gods creation in the lake of Fire. All are in their. The sons of God. All Gods creation not called AND the vessels of wrath.
Which contain all blasphemers.

Mat 12:32 states that these blasphemers are not pardoned in the next age. The age within the period that Gods creation not called are purifyed AFTER THE JUDGEMENT WHILE IN THE LAKE OF FIRE.

As Gods creation is purified in the fires. At this conclusion. We only have left the works of the vessels of wrath to be purified.

This only remains the vessels of Wrath that could’nt be forgiven in that Age.

So that these are the last to be pardoned after the firstfruits and Gods creation are
purified in the Lake.

Bringing to remembrance:

Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

This is the Vessels of wrath period to be purifyed and enter eternal Life “in Christ”. they have finished their role in Gods plans of salvation to mankind. They played the adversary to the vessels of mercy before Gods creation in the lake of Fire.

Now who are the vessels of wrath one more time..those who blaspheme God?.

We have those who believe Christ died FOR THEM, (carnal christians)

and then theres those who believe they have died WITH CHRIST. (Spiritual Christians.).

If a grain of wheat fall to the ground it must die. To be an overcomer we must die to self and be resurrected with Christ. If we say we are “in Christ” and teach that one need not died To self.

Then We Blaspheme God.

Then Our role in Gods plan for the future has been determined. Our fruit identified.

The vessels of wrath become the last saved and purified. All sins pardoned. Death is abolished. The last enemy defeated.

If we remain in this lake forever. Who Knows. Yet we do know that all are to remain in there until death has been totally destroyed and the ENTIRE Kingdom handed over to the father that he be All in All.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

And whos feet are ALL enemies subdue under?.
The vessels of mercy.
The Body of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

In the Lake of Fire (Son) and Brimstone (Divine Father)


Me2

 

[Frogman]

Thanks Me2,
I have printed this post and will respond when I have had time to give to the study of your references.

I don't expect to come to the same conclusion you have, but I will honestly look at the material you provided.

Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

[Yelsew2]

Me2,
Why did you leave out verses 13, 14, and 15? They are part of the same scene. Verse 15 specifically states that only those who's names were not found in the book of life were cast into the lake of fire. The story ends there, there is no retrieval from the lake of fire. No illusion to such! In truth "the second death" is the final death for all who are cast into the lake of fire. There is no pulling them from the lake of fire purified?

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13. The sea gave up all the dead who were in it; 14. Death and Hades were emptied of the dead that were in them; and every one was judged as his deeds deserved. THEN Death and Hades were hurled into the burning lake. This burning lake is the second death; 15. AND anybody whose name could not be found written in the book of life was hurled into the burning lake.

That is the end of that story, no retrieval from the lake of fire, no further purification, no redemption, JUST DEAD FOR ETERNITY!

Then you say post,

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

This judgment is of what you do! The next judgment, "is your name in the book of life?" If not you are cast into the lake of fire, second death, which is the judgment of what you are....Believer vs Unbeliever. Unbelievers are cast into the lake never to be seen again!

 

[Me2]

Yelsew2,

It is appointed that men die and face judgement.

this is a reference to spiritually dying. entering into spiritual death. for there are we joined with the spirit of God and resurrected.

In death we are joined with Christ.

death and hell gave up its dead.
man was in death. to escape death. we either are resurrected or stay in death forever
If death had the power to hold man there. But it doesnt. for the next scene is that we see them "STANDING" in front of the great white throne.

the righteous throne of God.
Now does God judge with mercy? Did jesus die for all sin? there is no sin.. no unrighteousness Yelsew!!!

death is abolished for it no longer has a purpose. there is no sin. no unrighteousness. thats the same as hell. no unrighteousness. no sin.

the lake of fire purges the after effects of Sin!!!!!!!!

as the Holy spirit today is purging gods son from sin. It is the same effect. no partiality here. God deals with his sons as he deals with all men. all creation. the name is changed. a metaphorical symbol pointing to the Divine purging fire of Gods righteousness.

its exactly the same in corinthians. works are destroyed. refined. purged.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

It is your misinterpretations of Revelations and its metaphorical symbols pointing towards their corresponding spiritual counterparts..

Now ask any son of God. Were they invited into tribulations and persecutions or were they forced into those circumstances. here we see those judged Cast into the lake. by force. sound familiar?

and who do we find in there? all of theose SINNERS and UNBELIEVERS..


Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

sounds like eschatology. 1000 year reign in the lake. and your constituants are unbelievers???

the second death is the lake of fire where we will find all of creation. vessels of wrath, vessels of mercy and all men women and children of Gods creation. As God purges there sin within their life with the assistance of the sons of God as lords kings, priests, and judges.
as well as the adversaries of Gods truth. the vessels of wrath portraying their roles as they have been predestined and trained to perform until their task have been completed within the plans of God.

anyhow, Ill be in the lake. but not to be purged but assisting God in the purging of others lives.
I have already been judged, resurrected and am in the process of purging today.
It is my role in the lake to give my self away for the purposes of God towards his creation. as all sons of Gods ambitions will be.

Me2

 

[Yelsew2]

Me2,
You are simply wrong in your theology. You are mixing pigs and oranges, fish and zebra's, mosquitos and spitfires.

You are mixing scriptures that should not be mixed!

 

[Me2]

Yelsew2,

God is spirit. He communicates his message in spirit.
we compare spiritual with spiritual meanings.

revelations is a metaphorical vision using symbols pointing to spiritual meanings.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

is hell physical or spirit?..............spirit
is death physical or spirit?.............spirit
is the White throne physical or spirit?..spirit
is the lake of fire physical or spirit?..spirit
is God physical or spirit?...............spirit
is Gods word physical or spirit?.........spirit

God has given us a new spirit Yelsew.
His word is teaching us to stop focusing on our carnal understanding. He is pointing us to focus on teaching our spirit understanding.

carnal babes will only understand what they can see hear feel taste and touch..only focusing on their literal physical substance.

spiritual sons concentrate on training their spiritual senses. what their spirit can see and hear and understand. God speaks to us through the words of the bible in symbols and visions and revelations.
symbols pointing to meanings other than themselves.
then the interpretations of such symbol representation are compared within the relationship of other scripture symbol representations.

in the lake God references fire to refine and purge. As is the same today that the Holy spirit uses fire in the lives of the sons of God to refine and purge.

All creatures of God is treated impartially and equally. Either all are saved and judged similarly and equally or none saved and judged similarly.

all are mentioned in the lake where all are treated equally.

Me2

 

[Skandelon]

Couldn't the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit be attributing things that are of the Holy Spirit to someone or something other than the Holy Spirit.

A prime example would be the scripture. The Scipture is brought to us by the Holy Spirit and those who don't believe it is from God committ the unforgivable sin.

The problem with this would be those who once saw the scripture as being untrue and later came to believe it, they should be able to be forgiven.

But couldn't the unforgiveable sin be in reference to the one sin that hasn't been atoned for. The sin of unbelief. The sin of dening the Holy Spirit wrought message of the cross? And its not meant to mean unforgivable in that if someone changes their view, but unforgivable in that if they remain in unbelief they will be condemned in the ends. In other words, its not forgiven if someone remains in it.

I'm studing this issue so I'm not saying this is what i firmly believe, I just want to here others thoughts.

 

[Me2]

Blasphemy occurs in the spirit or physical world when the observed understanding or wisdom is attributed to the wrong spiritual entity.

Example: When God states a truth and man attributes this wisdom to the wrong entity.

God is Love is interpreted …as God is hate.

whenever mankind receives Gods seed and is brought the understanding to him to make a determination.
this is where this action occurs. its denial of truth of God.

only vessels of wrath can commit this action. for they are introduced to Gods true attributes. unfortunately they deny this truth when shown to them.

 

[Pastor Larry]

But couldn't the unforgiveable sin be in reference to the one sin that hasn't been atoned for. The sin of unbelief.

Unbelief is not the unforgiveable sin because all true believers have been forgiven for unbelief. Unbelief can be forgiven. And to say that it is the one sin that was not atoned for is to say that Christ's death wasn't full and final. That is untenable in light of Scripture.

 

[Skandelon]

Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />But couldn't the unforgiveable sin be in reference to the one sin that hasn't been atoned for. The sin of unbelief.

Unbelief is not the unforgiveable sin because all true believers have been forgiven for unbelief. Unbelief can be forgiven. And to say that it is the one sin that was not atoned for is to say that Christ's death wasn't full and final. That is untenable in light of Scripture. </font>[/QUOTE]That makes sense. But what about continued unbelief? I mean what if the unforgivable sin is continuing in your unbelief. That is the one reason people go to hell, right?

Just exploring.

 

[Pastor Larry]

I mean what if the unforgivable sin is continuing in your unbelief. That is the one reason people go to hell, right?

Not exactly, Rev 20 and 21 both make clear that man goes to hell because of his sins, not simply because of unbelief.

Furthermore, unbelief has no place in the context where Christ talks about the unforgiveable sin. When you look at that passage, his comments are in response to a very direct accusation by the Pharisees and we see no similar comment from Christ or the apostles anywhere else in Scripture. That makes this unpardonable sin pretty limited in nature.

 

[Skandelon]

Thanks for the input. I'll study that further. It is quite limited which is really odd to me.