Blood Transfusions

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

NNE HAS ANSWERED MY QUESTION YET.

Yes I did. Post #5. :thumbsup:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

ROFL, oh Bro. C. I am not bitter….blah blah blah

You are the most bitter, dishonest person I have ever seen claim to be a Christian.

As I said within 5 years you will be screaming over some of the ramifications of this ruling. Those will not matter to my personal life .... but I truly feel sorry for you and others who simply refuse to see what is being done to you, not just in this ruling but also in other rulings.

But as I said, you cannot explain how.

 

[Crabtownboy]

But as I said, you cannot explain how.

Of course not. I do not know the specifics of how this will play out. But you may be sure you will come to the conclusion that this was a very bad decision within five years.

Think about the door this decision has opened, not the specifics of this case. That is too narrow. Look at the broader issues. Do some research. Find out for yourself. Even if I knew specifically what issue will come up next you would not believe me. So research on your own. I will not bother to answer more of you questions as you are not looking for answers but just arguments so you can attempt to insult.

It is doubtful I will still be around to see you cry over this decision. I feel sorry for you and others over what is heading your way in the future. This court has taken so much away from you and you do not realized it ............ yet.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Of course not. I do not know the specifics of how this will play out. But you may be sure you will come to the conclusion that this was a very bad decision within five years.

How ? What will happen that will make me agree with you on this ? C'mon, you said even I would see this.

Think about the door this decision has opened, not the specifics of this case. That is too narrow. Look at the broader issues. Do some research. Find out for yourself. Even if I knew specifically what issue will come up next you would not believe me. So research on your own.

I have to research YOUR claim ? You are a lazy man, C.T.Boy.

I will not bother to answer more of you questions as you are not looking for answers but just arguments so you can attempt to insult.

The chicken says "bock bock."

It is doubtful I will still be around to see you cry over this decision. I feel sorry for you and others over what is heading your way in the future. This court has taken so much away from you and you do not realized it ............ yet.

It is doubtful you even know what you are talking about.

Challenge unanswered.

 

[just-want-peace]

Crabby, this decision is not the problem --- it's your wonderful (???) liberal cohorts that precipitated this shudda-been-aborted fiasco to begin with. Your master was so intent on building a legacy for himself ( or perhaps destroying the economy??) that he ignored all outside input (outside the demoncrat party, that is) and rammed it down our throats.

Remember, even the WWW claimed that "we have to pass it to know what's in it!"

So don't come on here crying your crocodile tears about a "dime" being cut out of your hope for the control of America, while there is still a "hundred dollars" tying the healthcare system in knots.

Your concern over cutting freebies is a little nauseating, to say the least.

 

[Don]

Interesting, ain't it? When the SC upheld the ACA, there were those of us who warned about what was coming our way.

Now that the SC struck down a part of the ACA, CTB's using the same exact words.

I believe we have the definition of "irony."

 

[Don]

By the way: CTB is sorry our children are going to have to live in the world this SC is creating. The same SC that he praised for passing the ACA.

 

[church mouse guy]

Suppose you worked for a company whose private owners did not beleive in blood transfusions.

Would you have a problme is blood transfusions was NOT covered in your medical insurance

The Watchtower is against blood transfusions based upon the idea that it was forbidden in the Jewish theocracy to eat blood.

If you worked for someone like the JWs, you would have severe financial problems if you needed a transfusion.

The courts have been ruling in Brooklyn that you cannot deny a child a transfusion.

You would have to look for another job if you believe in modern medicine.

Hobby Lobby is a family business. Americans do not seem to believe in freedom of conscience anymore in this current drive to federalize all things.

I would rather stay poor than be rich from Satan's wages.

 

[Revmitchell]

The Watchtower is against blood transfusions based upon the idea that it was forbidden in the Jewish theocracy to eat blood.

If you worked for someone like the JWs, you would have severe financial problems if you needed a transfusion.

The courts have been ruling in Brooklyn that you cannot deny a child a transfusion.

You would have to look for another job if you believe in modern medicine.

I would rather stay poor than be rich from Satan's wages.

TRansfusions are a life saving measure and are not a reasonable comparison to abortifants.

 

[church mouse guy]

TRansfusions are a life saving measure and are not a reasonable comparison to abortifants.

I think that Salty is asking if cults like the JWs, who oppose blood transfusions, would be allowed freedom of conscience by the court and I would think so. Patricia Ireland was arguing that a Christian Science organization (or a Hindu one for that matter) could deny all health insurance under freedom of conscience. However, that point is yet to be decided since before Obama an employer did not have to offer health insurance.

Personally, I think that health insurance should be taken away from employers.

I am not sure that multi-billionaires have health insurance.

 

[Revmitchell]

I think that Salty is asking if cults like the JWs, who oppose blood transfusions, would be allowed freedom of conscience by the court and I would think so. Patricia Ireland was arguing that a Christian Science organization (or a Hindu one for that matter) could deny all health insurance under freedom of conscience. However, that point is yet to be decided since before Obama an employer did not have to offer health insurance.

Personally, I think that health insurance should be taken away from employers.

I am not sure that multi-billionaires have health insurance.

What is interesting is that the govnerment already has relationships with clinics and can provide funds to dispense these abortifants through them at no cost to women. So why is Obama insisting it be done through the employer. Other than just wanting to be a jackass.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

What is interesting is that the govnerment already has relationships with clinics and can provide funds to dispense these abortifants through them at no cost to women. So why is Obama insisting it be done through the employer. Other than just wanting to be a jackass.

One word: Dictatorship mentality.

OK, two words ...

 

[Melanie]

What a fascinating thread....it is just so weird!!!

 

[convicted1]

Working in a hospital lab, setting up crossmatches for transfusing is up my alley. I have seen JW's die due to not taking needed transfusion.

If they had a company and chose this route, would they have the clout to force their beliefs on their employees?


And I answer "NO" to the OP....

 

[Crabtownboy]

Working in a hospital lab, setting up crossmatches for transfusing is up my alley. I have seen JW's die due to not taking needed transfusion.

If they had a company and chose this route, would they have the clout to force their beliefs on their employees?


And I answer "NO" to the OP....

So which owner/corporate religious beliefs can be forced on others and which cannot? This is the can of worms this activist court has opened. As I said earlier, this is going to result in numerous cases being brought before the courts. Again I predict those who are so happy over this decision will become very unhappy with it in the next five or so years.

 

[Salty]

...Again I predict those who are so happy over this decision will become very unhappy with it in the next five or so years.

Not saying I wouldn't be happy with such a company - but it should be the decision of the company.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Not saying I wouldn't be happy with such a company - but it should be the decision of the company.

Salty, is there any limit as in a blood transfusion to save a life?

 

[Salty]

Salty, is there any limit as in a blood transfusion to save a life?

The main OP is should a company be required to support any medical procedure they find to be offensive.

 

[Sapper Woody]

So which owner/corporate religious beliefs can be forced on others and which cannot? This is the can of worms this activist court has opened. As I said earlier, this is going to result in numerous cases being brought before the courts. Again I predict those who are so happy over this decision will become very unhappy with it in the next five or so years.

That's what you don't get. No one's beliefs are being forced on another. There is no can of worms, because your scenario is based on the opposite of the truth. You say religious beliefs are being forced on someone, when the opposite is true.