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Bob Jones III Apologizes for Inflammatory Rhetoric

Squire Robertsson

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And here is the statement in full:
GREENVILLE, S.C. (March 21, 2015) – Earlier this week, Bob Jones University received a petition asking for an apology for a statement former BJU President Bob Jones III made to the Associated Press in 1980 while attending a meeting at The White House. Bob Jones III, the University’s chancellor, issued the following statement today:
“I take personal ownership of this inflammatory rhetoric. This reckless statement was made in the heat of a political controversy 35 years ago. It is antithetical to my theology and my 50 years of preaching a redeeming Christ Who came into the world not to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. Upon now reading these long-forgotten words, they seem to me as words belonging to a total stranger—were my name not attached.
I cannot erase them, but wish I could, because they do not represent the belief of my heart or the content of my preaching. Neither before, nor since, that event in 1980 have I ever advocated the stoning of sinners.
The Bible I love, preach, and try to practice, does not present today the stoning of sinners as God’s way. Its message is the good news that Christ Jesus was condemned on behalf of sinners to rescue all of us from condemnation and judgment by His willing sacrifice, for He was made sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
I apologize for the reflection those remarks bring upon Jesus Christ, Whom I love; Bob Jones University, which I have loved and served; and my own personal testimony.”
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Squire Robertsson said:
In the United States of America, the question is by whom and how severe should the punishment be.
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In America? If I say, should murderers and thieves be punished, the answer would not depend on geography, but the righteous and godly administration of civil government anywhere.

Should sodomy be punished by the civil authorities?
 
Squire Robertsson

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Yes, that is my question. Remember, to the best of my knowledge in the last 200 or so years under Anglo-American law, the punishment for sodomy has been imprisonment not death.
Aaron said:
In America? SNIP Should sodomy be punished by the civil authorities?
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Aaron

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Let me attempt to rephrase the question to pierce the subterfuge:

We know that civil authorities in any nation on earth are set up by God to punish evil doers and to praise those who do well. We know a government, no matter the form, time, jurisdiction, or nation is doing wrong to let thieves and murderers go unpunished.

My question. Is sodomy an act that should be punished by civil authorities? Why or why not?
 
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OnlyaSinner

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The 7th commandment cites "adultery" rsther than "sodomy", and the Bible is abundantly clear in portraying as sin ALL sexual intimacy outside of a one man one woman marriage. What then would be the scriptural logic of civil authorities singling out sodomy from among all violations of that commandment? Should they also punish cohabitation? Of course, if rape, indecent exposure, or other punishable acts were involved, that's a different situation.

Orthodox believers must remain adamant in labeling as sin that which God has called sin. However, expecting civil authorities to enforce all of scripture is a futile hope until Christ returns as king, when He will be the "civil authority."
 
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go2church

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Aaron said:
Let me attempt to rephrase the question to pierce the subterfuge:

We know that civil authorities in any nation on earth are set up by God to punish evil doers and to praise those who do well. We know a government, no matter the form, time, jurisdiction, or nation is doing wrong to let thieves and murderers go unpunished.

My question. Is sodomy an act that should be punished by civil authorities? Why or why not?
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Reject the premise that "any nation on earth are set up by God" - but that's another question entirely.

If I were to hypothetically accept the premise of the question I would say no. The scriptures sighted are for Israel, essentially a religious community, or for Christians, definitely a religious community. That is not the case here in the United States. The United States is a secular society and therefore not subject to the rules and structures of a minority religious community.
 
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Moderator Warning:
This thread is wnadering off course. It's purpose is to discuss Dr. Jones III's remarks. It is not a place to discuss the state of US laws.
 
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The Biblicist

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Squire Robertsson said:
In the United States of America, the question is by whom and how severe should the punishment be.
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If my memory serves me correctly, and if I am not mistaken, does not the Declaration of Independence state that the founders considered our constitutional law to be founded upon "natural" law which they interpreted to be God's Law?
 
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I just find it interesting that "somebody" had to do the research just to find a "deragotory" quote from some 35 years ago. Seems that "somebody" was extremely desperate just to spread some bovine excrement to bolster their "being offended"!

'Course with this crowd, the desire for acceptance is so strong that common sense is an unknown quality in the persuit of acceptance.:sleep:
 
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