So I will not hijack this discussion, I started a new thread about the Cold War.
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Boots on the Ground
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canadyjd
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There will be no boots on the ground. Trump has been told by people that know it would be nothing but more defeat . You may not like the fact that Trump has been defeated by Iran and we cannot put boots on the ground, but this is reality. There are no assembly points where we could muster forces in the Middle East. We would face incoming missiles before we ever got near Iran. Trump listened to bad advise and has been defeated. Of course there are millions of people, including people who voted for him that did not want this war and this defeat . But Trump did not listen to Charlie Kirk or any one else that did not want this war for the billionaires. There will be no boots on the ground. It would invite disaster and defeat.
You are clearly a propagandist.
I am against murder and theft by the Globalist billionaires elite, who do as they wish with people's lives.
Ben1445
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Says the man who lives in a country that allows him more freedom than most in the world; so much freedom that he doesn’t know what to do with it.
Who’s stepping on you today?
Who has stolen your hard earned money?
You are screaming out about what Solomon rightly calls vanity and vexation of spirit.
Your focus is all in the wrong places.
Colossians 3:1-4
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those
things which are above, where Christ sitteth
on the right hand of God.
Set your affection on things above, not on
things on the earth.
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with
Christ in God.
When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then
shall ye also appear with him in glory.
That is no reason for me to go along with the wicked, just because I prosper.
The Globalist Billionaires Elite are stealing and murdering other Countries. It's wickedness and against God. Christians should not partake in those crimes. It is obvious Trump Biden Obama do.
God did not say if you are prospering shut your mouth and go along with the wicked.
Can you name actual names and exactly how they are murdering other countries!
Does that include multi-millionaires.
Foxmeister
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I'm very familiar with Fort Irwin (NTC) and it's desert training, as well as JRTC at Ft. Leavenworth and JOTC in Hawaii and Panama. NTC focuses on armored units and mechanized infantry BCTs. There are also light infantry BCTs but they train at JRTC.
The real problem the US faces launching a boots on the ground attack is the Persian Gulf. You would first have to have a staging point. US forces would be most vulnerable while they port to disembark in an Arab country. Iran would take advantage of this with missiles and swarms of drones. These Arab nations would be aware of that and most like want to protect their oil infrastructure by denying the US from using their countries. There is Oman, as it sits outside the Gulf, but they too would most likely say no for the same reasons.
There's also the problem with getting armored and mechanized infantry units into Iran. That would entail amphibious landings. Again making US forces vulnerable.
Now you're thinking about air attacks on Iran's missile and drone asset sites. Our arsenal of Tomahawk missiles is at best just under 50%. Raytheon recently awarded a $22 billion contract to produce 1,000 a year, but that really doesn't help us now or within the next 12 months. We have to look at the defense our units if we were to put boots on the ground. We have 50% of our Patriot missiles left because Biden and Trump have sent many to Ukraine. We have already depleted 80% of our THAAD stockpile thanks to the war with Iran.
Getting boots on the ground would result in thousands of US troops being taken out of the fight during such an operation.
Centrist
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How you seen where the Strait of Hormuz is at? There is little the US uses that comes through there. That I know of. The majority of the oil we get from the Middle East does not come through there. So I fail to understand where we have a valid argument. Something else is going on. What is it?
At last, some common sense.
I am not discrediting the accomplishments of our forces, but whenever I read someone writing only about America defeating the Nazis I know that that person has not really read any good history book on the subject. Our forces had 135,576 military deaths in Europe compared to 8.7 million Russian military deaths. So, they did more of the fighting there - and certainly most of the dying.
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Ben1445
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I’m not saying Russia didn’t help defeat the Nazis, but high death statistics don’t equal more effort. It could be that communism uses life as a commodity and found that they had too many people and not enough potatoes.
It sounds like oversimplifying but that is communism in short. When you are not productive you are expendable.
There is a reason why people can name American generals , British generals,Japanese generals, and German generals from WWII. The number of people who can name a brilliant military leader from Russia or Italy has more to do with the lack of significant accomplishments. Russias best ally was winter. Winter did more for Russia than any of her generals.
In part, the same can be said of other nations in WWII. Some nations may not have had the same opportunities to display their military leadership because of their outdated equipment. This doesn’t mean that they didn’t have good intentions. It means the leadership, whether military or civilian, dictatorial or democratic, didn’t have the ability to direct their own resources in a manner that would bring significant recognition to their own countries military.
None of this means that lives were less valuable individually. It can mean that some countries ascribed less value to individuals.
That is what communism does. When you are too sick, you’re left to die. Too old? Who cares about you? If times are bad enough, you might not even rate the expense of a more humane execution by lethal injection.
Executed? Yes. Why, what crime? You got old and useless to society.
Around 200,000 German GI's soldiers were killed on their invasion of Russia.
Assuming 10,000 to a division - that would be about 20 divisions
"For the campaign against the Soviet Union, the Germans allotted almost 150 divisions containing a total of about 3,000,000 men. Among these were 19 panzer divisions, and in total the “Barbarossa” force had about 3,000 tanks, 7,000 artillery pieces, and 2,500 aircraft."
Thus the Germans lost about 15% of their force.
Assuming 10,000 to a division - that would be about 20 divisions
"For the campaign against the Soviet Union, the Germans allotted almost 150 divisions containing a total of about 3,000,000 men. Among these were 19 panzer divisions, and in total the “Barbarossa” force had about 3,000 tanks, 7,000 artillery pieces, and 2,500 aircraft."
Thus the Germans lost about 15% of their force.
You don't know anything about the Eastern Front whatsoever. That's ok, I once did not either. Operation Barbarossa the Germans turned from Great Britain and invaded the Soviet Union with 3 million men. The Americans never faced that many Germans, and almost all reinforcements from Germany went to the Eastern Front. 80 out of every 100 German Soldiers were killed by the Soviets. Look at all of the battles in Russia, Eastern Europe and Germany itself. We never faced anywhere near that many German Troops in WW2. Patton may have been brilliant, but he never saw as many Germans as were in the Great Battles. Operation Barbarossa, battle of Moscow, battle of Stalingrad, the Kursk Bulge. Operation Bagration (misspelled) the battle of Berlin.
BTW, that includes my uncle Erich. We assume he died in Stalingrad. It was a weird sensation, when we were in Ukraine, to actually go to some of the sites where he traveled and fought. The last letters, I think, were from Stalingrad.
Ben1445
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You flatter yourself.
Because I love America and the truth. Not lies. To not acknowledge that the Soviets did by far most of the fighting against the Germans is plain jane dishonesty. I realize in your case you just don't know. But God used the Soviets to destroy Hitler. Without the Soviets we could not helped Europe at all. It does not matter whether you are pro American or pro Russian or pro people in General. It does not matter whether a person is an atheist or believer. The facts remain the same. For you to assert otherwise is not honesty. I once did not know the real history just like you. So I am not condemning you for I was once the same. But all you have to do is look at history, and you will learn how the Russians were called subhumans, just like he called the Jews, and planned to exterminate most Russians, allowing some hollow government to flee across the Ural mountains and those remaining behind to be only large enough so German Settlers could hire them as day labourers .
When the German soldiers defeated the Soviets and drove them back they moved into Russia homes and told the civilians to get out and they replied they will die in the winter and the Germans said that was their problem get out. More Soviets died at Hitlers hands than Jews did in WW2 by far. And who was it that liberated the famous death camps of Hitler in Poland! It was the Soviets! And when they reported to the allies what they saw it didn't make sense to them that Hitler would kill his slaves but he did. It was the Russians who drove Hitler back across Russia and across Poland and destroyed Berlin causing Hitler to commit suicide so he would not be captured alive!