Border security: Bush speech satisfies no one except Vicente Fox

[LadyEagle]

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[SpiritualMadMan]

Lou Dobb's Conclusions are Stellar!

 

[poncho]

If it is necessary to send 20,000 to 30,000 National Guard troops to the border with Mexico to preserve our national sovereignty and protect the American people from rampant drug trafficking, illegal immigration and the threat of terrorists, then I cannot imagine why this president and this Congress would hesitate to do so.

One would think Lou Dobbs would have figured this out already.

Both political parties are complicit with corporate America and special interests in placing so-called immigration reform ahead of border and port security. That mindlessness speaks volumes about our elected officials' commitment to the national interest and the weight and influence of corporate America over both parties.

It isn't mindlessness Lou it's part of the North American Union, but you know that.

Mr. President, I don't think the American people will tolerate this much longer.

Don't worry Mr. President. I'll keep those emquiring minds from looking at the treaties and documents you and the congress have agreed to and signed to abolish the borders, destroy our national sovereignty and turn over the governance of the North American Union region to unelected parasites in the NWO.

 

[poncho]

Thanks for posting this LE, now I now why Lou Dobbs is still on mainstream tv. He's protecting the NWO's back by selling us a cart of baloney. He knows about the CFR's plan Building A North American Community and the Common Security, Common Prosperity a New Partnership in North America and all the "free trade" treaties. He knows that the UN's NGOs like the WTO and WHO and others are dictating these same type of global policies to the American people through our own "judas goat" leaders.

I'm not saying that Lou Dobbs hasn't done a good job of raising the open border issue, he has done us all a great favor to be sure, but he's not leveling with us if he isn't talking about the agreements and policies that are behind this. To claim this is "mindlessness" on the part of Bush and congress to me can only be viewed as more propaganda and misdirection. It isn't mindlessness, it's policy and with Dobbs trying to sell it to us as anything but makes him out to be a NWO shill. In my book.

 

[LadyEagle]

Maybe he doesn't know, poncho. Why don't you email him and enlighten him? His email address is at his web site.

 

[poncho]

He knows LE how can he not? Maybe I was to quick to judge Lou from listening to him lately I can almost feel how frustrated the man really is to get the truth out without losing his ability to go on air and tell us what he can. I imagine CNN keeps him on a leash so he doesn't spill all the beans at once.

I know a tad about frustration. Trying to get people to read the documents and do simple addition can be uh, frustrating at times.

 

[Bismarck]

You know about Mena.

You know about Clinton running drugs into the US for extra spending money on the side.

You know American politics IS that bad...


Now, just watch this. You will not agree with my CONCLUSIONS...

but NEITHER will you impune my FACTS...


1) Bush 1 = CIA
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Duhh...
Bush 1 was CIA Director from 1975-79 before becoming US Vice President under Reagan.

Therefore

2) Bush FAMILY = CIA
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SEEMINGLY obvious conclusion

3) CIA = Drugs
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For example, San Jose Mercury News 1995-6 reported about the CIA and cocaine smuggling into US from places including Mexico. That is public source, mainstream. You could also check out Michael Ruppert (copvicia.com) for a NON-MSM source that is even more "radical".

Let us say you refuse that source. Fine. We still have the SJMNews from the 90s. Let us even say merely, "the CIA is RUMORED to deal in drugs..."

4) Drug running into the US through Mexico REQUIRES an open border with no fence
-------------------
duhhh
duhhh
come on man, you can't step to THAT...

5) Bush = CIA = Drugs = Open Border
---------------------------------
strangely plausible series of connections.

Now, as they say, "where's there's smoke, there's fire".

For example, take ME. You love Bush. You hate me....

BUT...

I want a fence, Bush doesn't
I love the Minute Men, Bush hates them, and calls them "Vigilantes"... which incidentally happens to be EXACTLY what Vincente Fox calls them...

See that? See that? You love Bush, you hate me...

You defend Bush's honor, you attack mine...

But _I_ do not want an open border, and I have no PUBLICALLY KNOWN connections to the CIA who has been PUBLICALLY ACCUSED in a major media source of drug smuggling...

Compare to Bush, I am squeeky clean...
yet you say I am more likely to deal in drugs than Bush practically!

Nevertheless, "where's there's smoke there's fire".

And, "birds of a feather flock together".

You hate me. You love Bush...

but _I_ do not call Bill Clinton my FRIEND...
I do not rehabilitate Clinton...
I do not send Clinton to the UN, to Rome for John Paul 2's funeral, etc
MY BROTHER does not call Clinton "bro", as Jeb does Clinton in FL since both belong to the same posh countryclub

In short, Bush HANGS OUT with CLINTON...
who = MENA = drug smuggling into US...

And Bush is on good terms with VINCENTE FOX...
whose corrupt Mexican government is KNOWN to profit from drug smuggling into the US...
making it only a TINY leap of logic to conclude the Vincente Fox too PROFITS from drugs...

You have to admit...
Bush hangs around with allot of people who are AT LEAST AT LEAST AT LEAST rumored/suspected of dealing in drugs...

"Birds of a feather flock together"...

"Where's there's smoke there's fire"...


If Bush DOESN'T deal in drugs, WHY does he want the border open so much? Do you have a BETTER theory, one that has MORE _HARD_ _FACTUAL_ (if circumstantial) supporting evidence?


See how slick it works out?

Bush = CIA family = CIA = drugs = Open Border...

That's the THEORY, the SPECULATION...

and lo and behold...

Bush sure does want an OPEN BORDER...

That raises no eyebrows?

Not wanting to defend the US' sovereignty raises no eyebrows?

I mean, come on folks! Not wanting to GUARD AMERICA'S SOVEREIGNTY & INDEPENDENCE basically verges on TREASON, HIGH TREASON against America...

Pick an explantion! Pick one!

You see?

"Bush deals in drugs" is NOT all that radical...

when you realize...

that you HAVE to come up with SOMETHING to explain Bush's REFUSAL to do his DUTY to GUARD AMERICA!

Bush, the President, refuses to do his duty...
he is verging on TREASON against America...
he hangs out with a known Drug Smuggler (Clinton)
he hangs out with SUSPECTED Drug Smugglers (CIA, Fox)

see? see?

"Bush deals in drugs" is NOT a radical statement, when you realize you HAVE to come up with SOMETHING to explain Bush's circle of friends and his behavior!

You all love Bush. You all hate me.

$1 says Bush profits, in association somehow with the CIA and the wealthy blue blood patrician business types that make up "the company" (or at least it's higher eschelons), from DRUGS...

JUST LIKE CLINTON

Yes, it's speculation...

but it's not WILD speculation...

I've got loads of SMOKE (suspcious social contacts)...
and even some TONGUES OF FLAME (like the San Jose MNews)...
to corroborate that speculation.


If YOUR NEIGHBOR behaved this strangely on your block, you'd guard your children extra hard, and lock up at night...

why are you so deeply asleep when it comes to BUSH?

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Originally posted by Bismarck:
You know about Clinton running drugs into the US for extra spending money on the side.

Sounds like you've been taking some of those drugs if you really think that President Clinton was a drug-runner.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Bismarck, that comment about Clinton lost you any credibility.

But let's see now, using your logic . . .

Cows are mammals, therefore:

1. Cows = mammals

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Human beings are also mammals, therefore:

2. Human beings = mammals

--------

Since two things that equal another thing also equal each other, we have...

3. Cows = mammals = human beings
therefore cows = human beings

-----------

If you eat steak or hamburgers, you are a cannibal.

4. Human beings eat cows

substituting the equivalent value "human beings" for cows, we arrive at

Human beings eat human beings, and since any species that eats its own is a cannibal,

You are a cannibal.

 

[Daisy]

Originally posted by Bismarck:
4) Drug running into the US through Mexico REQUIRES an open border with no fence
-------------------
duhhh
duhhh
come on man, you can't step to THAT...

Crop dusters, shrimp boats, private yahts, cargo containers, human mules with a passport, online pharmacies.

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

There were a few highly classified projects in the '80s to deter and stop everything but human crossing type smuggling...

I don't know if they continued and/or were declassified...

I do know that for the time I was aware of them they were highly effective...

The issue of Open Borders is one that is going to cost the Republican Party dearly...

And, it doesn't really matter whether the root is drugs or globalism or even the incarnation of satan...

Most of America knows that Open Borders are a very bad Idea...

Most of America has made their thoughts and feelings plain to their representatives...

They remain deaf... (Both Demoncrat and Repugnantcan.)

As much as I like the (at least purported) conservatism of Bush against any Democratic hopeful...

If there are _not_ some pretty severe changes I will be hard pressed to vote the party line again...

Even if it means voting a pro-choice candidate into office...

I am that twerked...

That doesn't mean that I will be accepting conspiracy theories without thought or debate, though...

SMM

 

[jereome10]

Originally posted by poncho:
He knows LE how can he not? Maybe I was to quick to judge Lou from listening to him lately I can almost feel how frustrated the man really is to get the truth out without losing his ability to go on air and tell us what he can. I imagine CNN keeps him on a leash so he doesn't spill all the beans at once.

I know a tad about frustration. Trying to get people to read the documents and do simple addition can be uh, frustrating at times.

You are so right on that one since its much easier to throw an insult instead of actually doing the research and having to use your head for something other than a hat rack.

 

[Scott J]

If Mena occurred... it was a bipartisan effort. Never did like or trust Bush I.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Daisy:

Originally posted by Bismarck:
[qb]4) Drug running into the US through Mexico REQUIRES an open border with no fence

Back home planes used to drop packages into a large lake bordered by a national park. Since the pick up guys were mostly locals... they were very difficult to catch since the Feds didn't think the local law had any sense.

 

[poncho]

Originally posted by Scott J:
If Mena occurred... it was a bipartisan effort. Never did like or trust Bush I.

That's the same thing some former DEA guys have been saying all along.

Castillo quickly discovered that the Contra pilots were, indeed, smuggling narcotics back into the United States - using the same pilots, planes and hangers that the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Council, under the direction of Lt. Col. Oliver North, used to maintain their covert supply operation to the Contras.

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The following is adapted from a draft indictment of George Bush prepared by former DEA agent Celerino Castillo and the editors of Executive Intelligence Review. All the evidence contained in this draft indictment has been thoroughly documented. Most of it has been taken either from the Kerry Report of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, or the Final Report on Iran-Contra.

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
__________________________________

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
vs.
GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH

INDICTMENT

Racketeering 18 USC � 1961et seq.
Conspiracy to Import Narcotics 21 USC �� 952 & 963
Continuing Criminal Enterprise 21 USC � 848
Conspiracy To Obstruct Justice 18 USC � 1503
Conspiracy To Obstruct Congress 18 USC � 1505


THE ENTERPRISE

1. At all times relevant to this Indictment, there existed an Enterprise, within the meaning of Title 18, USC, Section 1961 (4), that is, a group of individuals associated in fact which utilized the official positions of defendant GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH in the Government of the United States of American to facilitate the transfer, importation, and distribution of large quantities of illegal narcotics within the United States.

2. The members of the Enterprise consisted of the defendant herein named and others, including international drug traffickers, who utilized the Enterprise and the official positions of GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, DONALD P. GREGG, and OLIVER L. NORTH to facilitate their narcotics and money-laundering operations.

SOURCE

"Bipartisan" you betcha! The Clinton's and Bush's have been running scams on America and the rest of the world together since Bill was chosen to be a Trilateral.

 

[emeraldctyangel]

Wait, the borders have been open all along. The way you guys debate it, it would have one thinking that there was a long wall and then we knocked it down.

The fence idea is great. But people can climb fences. Setting US troops on the borders initiates the principle of warfare.

If you put troops there and you put a fence there, and someone climbs the fence without regard to the soliders with condition one weapons, and they shoot the guy, youve just had a possible act of war committed.

And then let us turn it around and say, well those guys cant shoot the ones climbing the fences. Then why do they have guns? Okay take away the guns. Then they are just guys standing there saying you cant come here.

And what if the fence climber says, 'I say I can come here' and shoots at them? What if he kills one of our troops? This too, causes an act of war, depending on the viewpoint of the dead solidier's country. So we go to war with Mexico because some guy wanted to come in and we said no?

Werent you against troops dying in the first place? Or are we allowed to die without your complaint ONLY for the reasons you specify?

Id really like an answer.

and another question,
Was that guy *really* saying he believes US Presidents run drugs?

 

[poncho]

You sound confused. Our military is supposed to protect us and more importantly the U.S. Constitution not go around deposing dictators we don't like or protecting those we do and building outposts all over the world with our money to protect the global elite's interests or expanding their financial empire.

Who do you think your commander in chief takes his orders from anyway the people? If that were the case he and the congress would be listening to the 90% of us that are in agreement that the borders should be secured. So if he isn't listening to us who is it he is listening too? Who gives him the orders, who's policy is he following and ultimately who's policies are you then enforcing, George Bush's, the American people's? Hardly.

You can wave the flag and recite grand sounding patriotic themes all day long but at the end of that day you are still enforcing the rule of the international community, new international order or the new world order or whatever euphemism you care to use to describe a foreign power that writes and dictates policy to our goverment that in turn dictates and enforces those policies on you and I whether we like it or not or whether it is good for this country or not.

Was that guy *really* saying he believes US Presidents run drugs?

No he was saying that the vice president at the time along with elements of our government were running drugs to buy weapons for another one of our favorite extremist groups so they could overthrow yet another government. Why? Because congress had dared to use their power and turn off the money supply from the taxpayers. What, you mean you missed the whole Iran Contra affair too?

Werent you against troops dying in the first place? Or are we allowed to die without your complaint ONLY for the reasons you specify?

Well, to give you the answer to the question you really want answered. No I'm not against our troops dying while serving this country I would view that as an honor. What I am against is sending our troops to die while expanding the empire of a few fat gutless weasels in 2,000 dollar suits that dance in front of owl statues and belong to death cults like Skull & Bones and it's ancestor the Thule society. To them you are just another sacrifce to their god, which isn't the same God of Abraham Jacob David and Jesus that I follow. I view that as a sickness.

 

[LadyEagle]

Excellent post, Poncho!

And yes, MENA happened.

 

[poncho]

Excellent post, Poncho!

And yes, MENA happened.

Thanks LE, I thought that one would get edited for sure.

 

[Dale-c]

I am just new to this tread and read most of it.
Poncho, I have not verified every single point you have made but let me say that I am sure that if we only knew half of what was going on, we would be appaled.

I am still in shock at all of the people that defend an idolator like GWB and tear down a Christian Statesmen like Roy Moore who would do his best to inforce illegal immigration in his state.

But as long as we look to the Supreme Court as god (small g intentional) don't expect people to figure much other out.

It is easier to pretend that things are ok than to face the facts.