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Featured "born of water" does not mean "baptized".

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by George Antonios, Jun 15, 2021.

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    I think what may be overlooked in Jesus answer to Nicodemus is, because all human birth is of water, as noted, amniotic fluid, Jesus was then making a difference in his allegory when distinguishing, that which is born of flesh is flesh.

    Which Jesus would know as well as know we are born from the water of the womb.
    Which I think is why he distinguished this when telling us that which is born of flesh is flesh.

    But he was teaching something beyond this. How to be born again.
    He would not reiterate the birth in the flesh, as that was initially what Nicodemus was confused about with regard to Jesus saying we must be born again.

    Rather, I think Jesus, who was speaking to Jews familiar with the OT scriptures, from whence many of his parables derived, was informing them of the import of being reborn of water and the spirit because they would know the import of the Mikvah.
    Being cleansed of one's sins, being washed clean of them in water , regenerated, and in the spirit of the holy ghost who is in scripture also identified with water. Jeremiah 2:13, Isaiah 44:3-4.

    And remember too John the Baptist, who Baptized Christ.And after that Jesus' ministry began.

    If we discount the importance of Baptism, what say we when Jesus taught by example, was Baptized before beginning his ministry.
     
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    Was Jesus a Heretic?
    Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 3 - Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament

    Bible Gateway passage: John 3 - Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament (hydōr)
    Strong: G5204
    GK: G5623
    water, Mt. 3:11, 16; 14:28, 29; 17:15; Jn. 5:3, 4, 7; watery fluid, Jn. 19:34; ὕδωρ ζῶν, living water, fresh flowing water, Jn. 4:11; met. of spiritual refreshment, Jn. 4:10; 7:38
     
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    I wish you the best when you stand before him and attempt to make that point.
     
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    Jusus taught what is found in Matthew 18:3, Mark 10:15, Luke 18:17 and John 3:3. And this teaching was not the water baptism, this is not hard to understand.
     
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    Agreed. You are giving evidence it is impossible.
    And while on a Baptist forum.
     
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    How and what is that you are saying to be impossible? You are not making sense.
     
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    Yes, I have. The argument was not that baptism is unbiblical, but simply that born of water does not refer to baptism, and that baptism does not save.
     
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