BREAKING: FBI Concludes ‘No Federal Crime’ Committed In Bubba Wallace ‘Noose’ Case

[Reynolds]

OK, here's the knot that allegedly was the same as the one in Wallace's garage.

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Look exactly the same to me.


And here's an overhand bight knot.

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They don't look the same to me.

 

[Calminian]

The irony is, there have been 6 relatively recent noose stories, all turning out to be hoaxes or just wrong. Tucker goes through a few them.

You would think we'd finally get the message and immediately doubt these stories, especially after Jussie. But that would mean admitting America is a decent non-racist place.

 

[atpollard]

Setting aside your ethnic gnosticism do you have any actual evidence

Only the anecdotal stories and the testimony of the 5 black Christian men at the New Beginnings Life Center Men's Fellowship that told me about their experiences. It is possible that Earl, Tyrone, Mikael, Leonard and Zack were all lying, but I fail to see what they would have gained by it. If you are in Atlanta, you can ask Bishop Owens who was in the car when Earl was stopped.

Now if you are asking if I have any evidence of racism ... "Yes, Virginia. Racism is real."

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I am only reporting what has been told to me by others. Since I am not black, I can neither confirm nor deny what they said from my personal experience.

It is a common experience for an African American driver to be pulled over by the police while they are not speeding and have broken no obvious traffic laws (like trying to beat a yellow light). This happens more often than once a year for most men of color. A specific example: Earl Harrigan was driving through an affluent neighborhood with another black man in the car. He was pulled over and both he and his passenger were questioned about where they were coming from, where they were going and what they were doing in this particular neighborhood. Mr Harrigan wanted to know why he was pulled over and it was because his tail-light was not working. Mr Harrigan was released with a warning to "fix his taillight". Mr Harrigan lives in that neighborhood and has for 15 years. Mr Harrigan's taillight was miraculously working just fine when he arrived home to inspect it for himself. Mr Harrigan's Passenger was the pastor of an Atlanta Megachurch that Mr Harrigan was picking up from the airport.

This type of "special attention" happens with sufficient frequency that the African American community coined a term to describe it ... DWB ... Driving While Black.

Not recently, but I have also been pulled over due to race, so the police said. Wrong color for the neighborhood. I got out with a warning—not to return…and didn’t. As for the pastors, maybe they looked like televangelists. Would you want them in your neighborhood?

 

[Revmitchell]

Only the anecdotal stories and the testimony of the 5 black Christian men at the New Beginnings Life Center Men's Fellowship that told me about their experiences. It is possible that Earl, Tyrone, Mikael, Leonard and Zack were all lying, but I fail to see what they would have gained by it. If you are in Atlanta, you can ask Bishop Owens who was in the car when Earl was stopped.

Now if you are asking if I have any evidence of racism ... "Yes, Virginia. Racism is real."

I didnt ask yoy about either onenof those. I asked for evidence that it is a common experience that black people regularly get pulled over for being black.

 

[Revmitchell]

Only the anecdotal stories and the testimony of the 5 black Christian men at the New Beginnings Life Center Men's Fellowship that told me about their experiences. It is possible that Earl, Tyrone, Mikael, Leonard and Zack were all lying, but I fail to see what they would have gained by it. If you are in Atlanta, you can ask Bishop Owens who was in the car when Earl was stopped.

Now if you are asking if I have any evidence of racism ... "Yes, Virginia. Racism is real."

Is America Racist?

 

[Reynolds]

Is America Racist?

If the left keeps up this non sens, there will be a race war. I always thought my Cherokee Grandma was crazy when she said "Boy, theres going to be a race war in these NewNited States. When it starts, fight with the white folks." I am beginning to think she knew something I didnt.

 

[atpollard]

I asked for evidence that it is a common experience that black people regularly get pulled over for being black.

... and I provided it. An informal survey of 15 Christian Men (5 Black, 2 Hispanic, 7 White) revealed that 5 of 5 Black men had been pulled over by the police under suspicious circumstances and 5 of 5 Black Men believed that the primary reason was because they were black. It was not a scientific study, because I was not attempting to conduct a scientific study, but there was a 100% perceived correlation reported by the respondents.

I look forward to your evidence that black men are seldom/never pulled over because of the color of their skin.

 

[Calminian]

... and I provided it. An informal survey of 15 Christian Men (5 Black, 2 Hispanic, 7 White) revealed that 5 of 5 Black men had been pulled over by the police under suspicious circumstances and 5 of 5 Black Men believed that the primary reason was because they were black. It was not a scientific study, because I was not attempting to conduct a scientific study, but there was a 100% perceived correlation reported by the respondents..

Unfortunately, this is anecdotal. Dr. Baucham coined an interesting term: Ethnic Gnosticism. It addresses this issue of perceived correlations.

This is not to say perceptions must be ignored, but they can never trump truth, nor be accepted as the default that must then be disproven. Perceptions must be investigated and verified. We need truth, right now, more than anything else. Otherwise we're just arguing perception against perception.

 

[Revmitchell]

... and I provided it. An informal survey of 15 Christian Men (5 Black, 2 Hispanic, 7 White) revealed that 5 of 5 Black men had been pulled over by the police under suspicious circumstances and 5 of 5 Black Men believed that the primary reason was because they were black. It was not a scientific study, because I was not attempting to conduct a scientific study, but there was a 100% perceived correlation reported by the respondents.

I look forward to your evidence that black men are seldom/never pulled over because of the color of their skin.

There is no evidence. You have provided none thus far therefore my point stands. The claims of 5 men are not evidence. Your indictment of police across this country is disturbing. Our law enforcement deserve better.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

... and I provided it. An informal survey of 15 Christian Men (5 Black, 2 Hispanic, 7 White) revealed that 5 of 5 Black men had been pulled over by the police under suspicious circumstances and 5 of 5 Black Men believed that the primary reason was because they were black. It was not a scientific study, because I was not attempting to conduct a scientific study, but there was a 100% perceived correlation reported by the respondents.

I look forward to your evidence that black men are seldom/never pulled over because of the color of their skin.

Here’s an article on a study that, even after massaging the data, says the difference is only 20%. Thus, for example, for every 5x60 white pastors pulled over, 6x13 black pastors will also be pulled over.

But note that they did reject a ton of data, because race wasn’t a factor. From the article:

"There were different ways of recording race by department," she says. "Michigan for example, recorded unknown race for 50% of the stops, which isn't usable data for us."​

Researchers studied nearly 100 million traffic stops and found black motorists are more likely to be pulled over

 

[atpollard]

Unfortunately, this is anecdotal. Dr. Baucham coined an interesting term: Ethnic Gnosticism. It addresses this issue of perceived correlations.

This is not to say perceptions must be ignored, but they can never trump truth, nor be accepted as the default that must then be disproven. Perceptions must be investigated and verified. We need truth, right now, more than anything else. Otherwise we're just arguing perception against perception.

I was asked to explain the term DWB (Driving while black). How does one quantify and verify why police officers select one car to pull over, question and issue a warning vs another? How does an individual verify why HIS car was pulled over and HE was questioned? You seem to be asking for Hard Science data in the field of Sociology. That is not how people generally work.

There is an old joke: "If one person calls you a jackass, he's probably having a bad day. If two people call you a jackass, you may start to wonder. If three people call you a jackass, check for a tail."

I am willing to concede that 999 out of 1000 times, the Police officer probably has a perfectly reasonable and legitimate reason for stopping a car and asking questions. However, it seems foolish to ignore the anecdotal evidence of 5 out of 5 black men that whether they were in Chicago or New York or South Carolina or Florida or Atlanta, they all have anecdotal stories and perceive that they have been and are stopped by the police for "DWB". If true, we have a serious issue within our LE culture that is creating a divide. If false, we have a serious perception and trust issue within our Church and Community that needs to be corrected. Either way, we MUST disprove the perception if we want to help our Christian Brothers to heal. US and THEM must become WE within the body of Christ. That starts with listening to our brother's perceptions and looking hard at them.

Shalom ('cause we could all use a little more Peace and Well Being)

 

[Revmitchell]

its not foolish at all. Like bubba there is a culture out there that is looking to be a victim.

 

[atpollard]

I look forward to your evidence that black men are seldom/never pulled over because of the color of their skin.

There is no evidence.

QFT.

 

[Calminian]

....However, it seems foolish to ignore the anecdotal evidence of 5 out of 5 black men that whether they were in Chicago or New York or South Carolina or Florida or Atlanta, they all have anecdotal stories and perceive that they have been and are stopped by the police for "DWB". ...

Don't ignore it, but don't also fail to investigate it. If 10 different people cite seeing a UFO, that might be proof something was seen, but it's not proof, in and of itself, it was extraterrestrial aliens. It's still possible there was a natural explanation of what was seen.

And for certain, don't turn around demanding evidence for a negative. Once you go there, you've sabotaged any hope for an honest dialog.

 

[Revmitchell]

QFT.

Sure quoting me out of context works. Means you got nothing. This whole exercise you have deployed is wrapped up in this behavior. Good luck with that.

 

[atpollard]

its not foolish at all. Like bubba there is a culture out there that is looking to be a victim.

Earl served in the Army and retired with a pension, singing for 4 presidents and numerous heads of state before retiring, becoming a pastor traveling the world and then starting a small Church in Florida. Does that sound like someone looking to be a victim?

Leonard reached the highest rank of Sergeant in the USMC before retiring and transferring to the US Army to reach the highest rank of Sergeant offered by the Army and retiring a second time. Then he moved to Chicago and served as an Illinois State Trooper before retiring for a third time. Does that sound like someone looking to be a victim?

Tyrone moved from the Caribbean Islands to New York to follow his dream. While working as a mechanic for an airline, he started his own Auto Dealership with two borrowed cars and a rented lot. He now runs a successful Auto Dealership. Does that sound like someone looking to be a victim?

I take offense at your casual dismissal of the testimony of these Christian Brothers.
I am finished drinking from this poisoned well.

Good riddance to this topic.

 

[Calminian]

Earl served in the Army and retired with a pension, singing for 4 presidents and numerous heads of state before retiring, becoming a pastor traveling the world and then starting a small Church in Florida. Does that sound like someone looking to be a victim?....

Not looking, but could be someone that believes in this systemic theory. Bubba is also successful. Look what he was willing to believe.

BTW, he just gave a fairly decent statement. Wish he would have gone further, but not bad. He admitted that it was not what he originally perceived. Sincere people can be sincerely wrong.

 

[Reynolds]

Don't ignore it, but don't also fail to investigate it. If 10 different people cite seeing a UFO, that might be proof something was seen, but it's not proof, in and of itself, it was extraterrestrial aliens. It's still possible there was a natural explanation of what was seen.

And for certain, don't turn around demanding evidence for a negative. Once you go there, you've sabotaged any hope for an honest dialog.

Evidence can and should be provided to defend a negative. You can not prove a negative, but you are expected to defend it.

 

[Calminian]

Evidence can and should be provided to defend a negative. You can not prove a negative, but you are expected to defend it.

Maybe we're speaking of different scenarios, if you want to expand. My concern is the constant suspicion which demands that a certain group or organization prove it's not what it's accused of, and assumed guilty of sufficient proof is not attained. I don't think this is a healthy mod of operation. Innocent until proven guilty would be good for public opinion as well. That would the a sign of a healthy public.