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BREAKING NEWS: Shooter at Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs

InTheLight

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Zaac

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Prayers going up.

But I wonder how many posts it'll take before the usual suspects blame this behavior on Obama or Hillary or one of the Syrian refugees?
 

Don

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Prayers going up.

But I wonder how many posts it'll take before the usual suspects blame this behavior on Obama or Hillary or one of the Syrian refugees?
It would have been nice to see how long the thread might have gone. But you had to go and be a baiter, didn't ya?
 

InTheLight

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COLORADO SPRINGS —At least four police officers have been shot and multiple civilians have been injured in an ongoing active shooter situation at a Colorado Springs branch of Planned Parenthood on Friday afternoon.

"This is still a very active situation," Colorado Springs Police Lt. Catherine Buckley said.

At 2:15, the police department reported on Twitter that officers were "encountering gunfire" from a suspect inside the Planned Parenthood building. The gunman has not made any demands or made any statements to officers, Buckley said. She said initial reports described his weapon as a long gun, such as a rifle.

"We do not know about this person's mentality or ideology," Buckley said.
 

heisrisen

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I'm seeing a ton of comments on Facebook about how everybody assumes it's a "Christian" shooting at people. I also heard it's not even where it started. It started at a liquor store, and he made his way over to the PP. But that's just typical of people who hate God. Any chance to jump on the band wagon of hatred towards Christians. We have no idea what he claims to be, or what he's angry about. It probably has nothing to do with the PP. But it's ridiculous that they haven't been able to get more details about what's going on. They don't even know how many people have been injured. I guess it's because they don't want to send reporters into harm's way. But I heard he's locked up inside the PP and holding people hostage. And it's still going on after 3 hours.
 

carpro

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/colorado-shooting-probe/


(CNN)[Breaking news update, posted at 7:16 p.m. ET Friday]

Police have detained the suspected gunman accused of opening fire inside a Planned Parenthood facility in Colorado Springs, Colorado, the city's mayor said.

"The perpetrator is in custody. The situation has been resolved. There's no continuing peril to the citizens of Colorado Springs," Mayor John Suthers told reporters Friday. "But there's a huge crime scene that has to be processed. We have to determine exactly how many victims there are. We'll be reporting on that in the near future."

Eleven people have been transported to local hospitals, according to Colorado Springs Police Lt. Catherine Buckley. Five of those transported are police officers from various responding agencies, Buckley said.
 

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Zaac

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I'm seeing a ton of comments on Facebook about how everybody assumes it's a "Christian" shooting at people. I also heard it's not even where it started. It started at a liquor store, and he made his way over to the PP. But that's just typical of people who hate God. Any chance to jump on the band wagon of hatred towards Christians. We have no idea what he claims to be, or what he's angry about. It probably has nothing to do with the PP. But it's ridiculous that they haven't been able to get more details about what's going on. They don't even know how many people have been injured. I guess it's because they don't want to send reporters into harm's way. But I heard he's locked up inside the PP and holding people hostage. And it's still going on after 3 hours.


I'm not sure if he is a Christian or not. I'd say I'm hoping that he's not. But then again I hope that he is so that this sin can already be forgiven.
Political enthusiasts are gonna learn that when you stoke the fires and incite folks to anger as Fox News and the talk radio talking heads do, that anger breeds a type of hatred that causes some to snap and do stuff like this and what we saw in Charleston, SC.

The problem for Christendom here is that we've allowed ourselves to become too closely associated with partisan party politics and folks think that a party's position is the Christian position. Thus a lot of folks will think this is how all Christians feel and would react if given the chance.
 

Zaac

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(CNN)[Breaking news alert, posted at 9:05 p.m. ET Friday]
Three people -- two civilians and one police officer -- were killed in Friday's shooting at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado, police said.
 

Squire Robertsson

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While I agree with you in principle, there isn't really any alternatives to the current situation as there was before the late 1960s. Before the McGovern campaign, I could vote for the best candidate regardless of the party. However, since then, both major parties have moved to heated opposition of each other. Such that at the moment I can not in good conscience vote for the Democratic candidate.
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The problem for Christendom here is that we've allowed ourselves to become too closely associated with partisan party politics and folks think that a party's position is the Christian position. Thus a lot of folks will think this is how all Christians feel and would react if given the chance.
 

Zaac

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While I agree with you in principle, there isn't really any alternatives to the current situation as there was before the late 1960s. Before the McGovern campaign, I could vote for the best candidate regardless of the party. However, since then, both major parties have moved to heated opposition of each other. Such that at the moment I can not in good conscience vote for the Democratic candidate.

I understand that too. But Christ is either first and we're with Him first. or we're against Him. And I'm sure if Donald Trump is the republican nominee, a lot of Christians will find a way to make it of good conscience to vote for him and his wickedness that in no way honors Christ just as they did in backing the Mormon who rejects Christ.

When it comes to Presidential politics, Christians will always make excuses to make their personal decisions more palatable to themselves. But just imagine if 16 million Southern Baptists bypassed the political pandering and backed their own Christ-honoring candidate who hasn't been corrupted by partisan politics?
 

Squire Robertsson

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I am not speaking just of presidential elections. I am speaking of (California) federal, state, and local (SF Bay Area) politics. As for the SBC, I am not numbered among them and haven't been for over 150 years.
I understand that too. But Christ is either first and we're with Him first. or we're against Him. And I'm sure if Donald Trump is the republican nominee, a lot of Christians will find a way to make it of good conscience to vote for him and his wickedness that in no way honors Christ just as they did in backing the Mormon who rejects Christ.

When it comes to Presidential politics, Christians will always make excuses to make their personal decisions more palatable to themselves. But just imagine if 16 million Southern Baptists bypassed the political pandering and backed their own Christ-honoring candidate who hasn't been corrupted by partisan politics?
 

matt wade

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Political enthusiasts are gonna learn that when you stoke the fires and incite folks to anger as Fox News and the talk radio talking heads do, that anger breeds a type of hatred that causes some to snap and do stuff like this and what we saw in Charleston, SC.

Baloney....crazy does as crazy is going to do. Blaming Fox News and talk radio is just as foolish as blaming video games.
 

Zaac

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Baloney....crazy does as crazy is going to do. Blaming Fox News and talk radio is just as foolish as blaming video games.

It might be baloney in your limited understanding, but when the world of psychology comes up against your crazy in the court of law, very few times is a plea of insanity accepted. It's been proven again and again that violence by extremists is often influenced by ideologies that condone violence, supported hatred, and encouraged extremism against the thing they finally strike out against. Fox News and conservative talk radio pundits have encouraged just that against Planned Parenthood, President Obama and anything that doesn't fall into the politically conservative space.

And if you truly think that what you watch and hear doesn't affect your behavior, then why don't you watch porn for the next year and get back to us on November 28th, 2016?

Nobody is saying they are the SOLE cause. But some people who are already imbalanced certainly have been getting validation and nudges that their craziness is correct from the likes of several Fox News and conservative talk radio personalities. Good gosh. Donald Trump is the direct result of the influence of Fox and talk radio. He started repeating the talking points years ago and suddenly thought he was politically clever just for rehashing ideas and thoughts that weren't his own. And now folks who agreed with what FOX News and the talk radio heads have have agreed with Trump for saying the same things. Now they are gonna find out that Trump isn't wrapped to tight and is stirring up a hornet's nest.

Paul Waldman said:
When you broadcast every day that the government of the world's oldest democracy is a totalitarian beast bent on turning America into a prison of oppression and fear, when you glorify lawbreakers like Cliven Bundy, when you say that your opponents would literally destroy the country if they could, you can't profess surprise when some people decide that violence is the only means of forestalling the disaster you have warned them about.

6 Lunatics Inspired by Fox News and Glenn Beck

  1. Charles Wilson: Sentenced to prison last week for repeatedly threatening to kill Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.). His cousin, in a letter to the court, said: "While his actions were undeniably wrong and his choices were terrible, in part they were the actions of others played out by a very gullible Charlie. He was under the spell that Glenn Beck cast, aided by the turbulent times in our economy. I don't believe that Charlie even had the ability to actually carry out his threats."
  2. Byron Williams: Arrested while driving to the HQ of the liberal non-profit group The Tides Foundation carrying numerous guns and body armor, intent on killing everyone in the office, before moving on to do the same thing at the ACLU. Williams confessed he views Beck as a "schoolteacher" who "blew my mind." The would-be killer admitted that Beck "give you every ounce of evidence you could possibly need" to commit violence. He awaits trial in jail.
    [*] Jim David Adkisson: Killed two people and wounded six others in a shooting attack at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in West Knoxville, Tenn., in 2008. Adkisson was inspired by Fox commentator Bernard Goldberg: "This was a symbolic killing," Adkisson wrote. "Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate and House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book. I'd like to kill everyone in the mainstream media. But I knew these people were inaccessible to me." Goldberg is the author of 110 People Who Are Screwing Up America (and Al Franken Is #37). UPDATE: See Bernard Goldberg's response below.
    [*] Richard Poplawski: Charged with killing three Pittsburgh police officers who responded to a 911 call about a family dispute at his mother's Stanton Heights home in April 2009. Polawski "loved Glenn Beck," according to his mom.
    [*] James W. Von Brunn: Fox itself was reportedly in danger from white supremacist Von Brunn who was arrested after opening fire at security guards, killing one, at the U.S. Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. One of his targets was apparently a "Fox News location." One of Von Brunn's pet issues was President Obama's birth certificate, a "debate" that got plenty of air on Fox.
    [*] Greg Lee Giusti: Arrested for threatening House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom Beck himself has said he would like to poison. Giusti's mom said: "Greg frequently gets in with a group of people that have really radical ideas and that are not consistent with myself or the rest of the family, which gets him into problems ... I say Fox News, or all of those that are really radical, and he, that's where he comes from."

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/6-lunatics-inspired-by-fox-news-and-glenn-beck/
 
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Zaac

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Fox News’ shocking racism effect: The alarming statistical relationships underneath conservative viewing habits
In the wake of Dylann Storm Roof’s horrifying act of terrorism in South Carolina, many have pointed to the negative influence of conservative media in incubating right-wing extremism. Bill Maher, for example criticized outlets such as Fox News, The Drudge Report and The Daily Caller for presenting a “twisted view,” in which Black people were taking over the country. These criticisms are not new: Fox News has for years come under criticism for its racially-charged coverage. Just recently, in January of last year, Isaac Chotiner wrote that Fox News creates segments “meant to scare its white audience into believing that African Americans, or Muslims, are out to get them.” Meanwhile, Jon Stewart and Rachel Maddow have both criticized Fox News’s coverage of the Ferguson murder last year.

New data suggests that their criticisms may be correct.

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http://www.salon.com/2015/06/23/fox...ships_underneath_conservative_viewing_habits/

Veteran Republicans Say Right-Wing Media Is "A Big Problem For The Party" In New Harvard Report

Republican insiders are complaining that the right-wing media "is shaping the party's agenda in ways that are impeding Republicans' ability to govern and to win presidential elections," according to a new Harvard report.

New York Times reporter Jackie Calmes, a Joan Shorenstein fellow at Harvard's Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy, spent nearly four months researching how the conservative media is increasingly influencing the Republican Party. She found "unanimity among establishment Republicans -- many of them conservatives by the definition of anyone but purists -- that rightwing media has become a big problem for the party, and their readiness to talk about it, was something of a surprise to this reporter of three decades' experience in Washington."

Since its founding in 2004, Media Matters has documented the increasingly extreme rhetoric and policy positions of conservative media. But party Republicans are now complaining that conservative commentators, many of whom are lining their pockets with big salaries, are making it difficult for Republicans to govern and win national elections.

Dave Schnittger, a longtime former top aide to House Republican leaders, told Calmes that conservative media are loudest in opposing actions "that leaders have to get done as part of governing," such as meeting basic fiscal deadlines.

Another top Republican aide, who asked for anonymity, complained of the conservative media: "There's no money, ratings or clicks in everyone going along to get along." Calmes added, "Asked whether he could offer examples of legislative outcomes affected by conservative media, this Republican all but snapped, 'Sure. All of 'em.' Does he worry more broadly then about the small-d democratic process? 'Yeah, absolutely. Because the loudest voices drown out the sensible ones and there's no real space to have serious discussions.'"

When it comes to national issues, Republicans fret that the conservative media has pushed the party "far to the anti-government, anti-compromise ideological right." Republicans pointed to the conservative media being "on the wrong side of history" and at odds with public opinion on "gay rights, insurance for contraceptives, climate change, and budget policy." They also complained that right-wing pundits have destroyed Republicans' ability to help pass comprehensive immigration reform.

One Republican Senate aide claimed that it's "the conservative media pushing us to take these positions, these extremist positions. And of course there are those who are more than willing to take them because it gets them press. It's a vicious cycle: The shows want ratings -- they're a business. The members want publicity. So it's just this unholy alliance."

The conservative media's influence on the Republican Party has become a key story during the 2016 presidential primary season. Fox News has an unprecedented media role in the process, as it is hosting the first Republican debate and using polling to cap the number of debate participants at 10. Candidates competing to get into the debates are now frequently appearing on the network's airwaves, and their allies are spending big money on advertising to reach Fox's conservative audience.

Perhaps one of the most disruptive forces in the primary, Donald Trump, has enjoyed a cozy relationship with Fox News. Fox has promoted Trump's antics so much that Fox News founder Rupert Murdoch has reportedly fought with chairman and CEO Roger Ailes over the channel's coverage of the divisive Republican candidate
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/07/28/veteran-republicans-say-right-wing-media-is-a-b/204634
 

InTheLight

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If it turns out that the suspect in this shooting had an ideological opposition to Planned Parenthood, was seeking political change regarding PP (suppose he wanted it defunded), is this an act of terrorism?

Why or why not?
 

Zaac

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If it turns out that the suspect in this shooting had an ideological opposition to Planned Parenthood, was seeking political change regarding PP (suppose he wanted it defunded), is this an act of terrorism?

Why or why not?

I believe you could definitely classify it as an act of domestic terrorism.
 

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No if involved, this was a robbery/hostage situation. The shooter ran into a PP building:
http://gazette.com/source-confirms-...d-shooting-3-killed-9-injured/article/1564419

1:34 p.m.:

The shooting situation remains active and the shooter is not contained. Colorado Springs police says there is no connection to Planned Parenthood and shooting victims are getting treatment.

but never let a crisis got to waste, they say. Nice try. I always find it strange that the MSM and the rest of the left jump the gun on cases like this - "must be a pro-life white supremacist terrorist that was inspired by hate radio!!!" unless it's someone screaming "Allah Akhbar!". Then they can't figure the motive and chalk it up to "workplace violence".
 
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