Britain's Climate change police killing it's elderly citizens

[Matt Black]

Not just the elderly suffering under Tory cuts but hard-working families on low wages: many are having to make the 'choice' between heating or eating in the winter months.

 

[HankD]

Not just the elderly suffering under Tory cuts but hard-working families on low wages: many are having to make the 'choice' between heating or eating in the winter months.

How terrible Matt. Do you have "food banks" in GB? These are places where people can donate food - others can come and get it.

 

[Matt Black]

Yes but we shouldn't have them: they are testament to a failed government social experiment

 

[HankD]

Yes but we shouldn't have them: they are testament to a failed government social experiment

Do you have "food stamps" there?

 

[Matt Black]

Not quite: to use a Food Bank you have to be issued with a voucher by a recognised government body or appointee eg: your family doctor or social worker. You can only have up to three vouchers

 

[HankD]

Not quite: to use a Food Bank you have to be issued with a voucher by a recognised government body or appointee eg: your family doctor or social worker. You can only have up to three vouchers

OK thanks

 

[Matt Black]

Our church's men's group was addressed on Tuesday night (every month we have a beer and curry night with a guest speaker) by the founder of the Trussell Trust, a Christian charity responsible for food banks, so this info is pretty fresh in my mind

The Trussell Trust - Stop UK Hunger

 

[HankD]

Our church's men's group was addressed on Tuesday night (every month we have a beer and curry night with a guest speaker) by the founder of the Trussell Trust, a Christian charity responsible for food banks, so this info is pretty fresh in my mind

The Trussell Trust - Stop UK Hunger

This is a wonderful work Matt.

 

[Covenanter]

I've just moved into a country bungalow already equipped with solar panels generating up to 4 Kw - more than enough most of the time so the excess is bought by the electricity company. We run lights, computer, TV, cooking & an oil-fired boiler.

But money, in the form of energy, does grow on trees when they are sustainably planted & harvested, it shines down with the sun & blows in with the wind. I expect a near zero electricity bill because of my solar panels.

Let me know how that works out for you.

Ours were installed ten years ago with a government grant.
Many new homes are built with solar panels. Including sheltered homes for the elderly. They are unlikely to be the main source of heat in the winter.
Most pensioners couldn't afford to install them.

Annual cost of electricity usage - £460
7 month Credit from solar panels - £1575

 

[canadyjd]

Ours were installed ten years ago with a government grant.
Many new homes are built with solar panels. Including sheltered homes for the elderly. They are unlikely to be the main source of heat in the winter.
Most pensioners couldn't afford to install them.

Government grant=someone else's money.

 

[Covenanter]

Government grant=someone else's money.

We all pay our taxes (except the very rich & very poor) & the government uses tax money to advance its policies, or for the common good. (Hopefully!) I paid taxes & pensions all my working life, & my pension is taxed.

 

[canadyjd]

We all pay our taxes (except the very rich & very poor) & the government uses tax money to advance its policies, or for the common good. (Hopefully!) I paid taxes & pensions all my working life, & my pension is taxed.

That is the argument for spending other people's money. I'm owed other people's money, for whatever reason.

That's why US is 20 trillion in debt.

 

[canadyjd]

Duplicate post.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

We all pay our taxes (except the very rich & very poor) & the government uses tax money to advance its policies, or for the common good. (Hopefully!) I paid taxes & pensions all my working life, & my pension is taxed.

Hasn’t someone muddled your thinking just a wee bit there? If it was your money to begin with, why would it be called a grant? Shouldn’t it be called a return on investment?

 

[Covenanter]

Annual cost of electricity usage - £460
7 month Credit from solar panels - £1575

That is the argument for spending other people's money. I'm owed other people's money, for whatever reason.

That's why US is 20 trillion in debt.

Hasn’t someone muddled your thinking just a wee bit there? If it was your money to begin with, why would it be called a grant? Shouldn’t it be called a return on investment?

Why must you folk politicize everything - this is straightforward arithmetic.

We bought the bungalow with the solar panels fitted. The difference between what we pay for electricity & what we receive for our surplus energy feeding back into the grid means that the solar panels will pay for all our winter heating.

 

[canadyjd]

Why must you folk politicize everything - this is straightforward arithmetic.

We bought the bungalow with the solar panels fitted. The difference between what we pay for electricity & what we receive for our surplus energy feeding back into the grid means that the solar panels will pay for all our winter heating.

Sure must be nice to be wealthy enough to support all these liberal policies. You can buy an energy efficient bungalow fitted with solar panels (paid for with other people's money) while the elderly poor freeze to death because of the liberal policies you support.

When will liberals judge their policies based on the consequences of those policies instead of the so called good intentions of their policies.

 

[Covenanter]

Sure must be nice to be wealthy enough to support all these liberal policies. You can buy an energy efficient bungalow fitted with solar panels (paid for with other people's money) while the elderly poor freeze to death because of the liberal policies you support.

When will liberals judge their policies based on the consequences of those policies instead of the so called good intentions of their policies.

Rubbish! Your comments are nasty.

Democracy is in principle, government of the people, by the people, for the people. The work of poor folk makes business successful; higher wages & better conditions mean happier & more productive staff, & increased profits. A better paid work force returns money to the economy. Benefits paid to the poor are returned to the economy, whereas tax cuts for the rich are lost to the economy.

In the post WW2 years 1945-80, the Labour & left inclined Conservatives were competing for who could build the most houses - mainly council building to rent. Houses for sale, usually previously rented, were affordable to ordinary folk. My father, a teacher, bought his house in Southampton for about £1,500 on a salary of about £600 in 1958. I bought my previous house in a London suburb for £6,500 on a salary of £2,000 in 1970.

The basic mortgage rules were a loan of around 3x salary, or the monthly repayments equalled the weekly income.

I had a university grant of £750 p.a in 1957-60 for a 3 year course. The principle was that youngsters should be trained well for maximum benefit to the country. In those years jobs were available with training (apprenticeships) so that young 20s could afford to get married, rent a flat & have a family, with the wife at home looking after the children.

Then the right--wing Conservative Margaret Thatcher changed everything. Council houses were sold off to tenants & local councils were not allowed to use the proceeds for further building. House prices went up too rapidly & fell back, causing negative equity. Two of my sons lost thousands on property. Thatcher's war on trade unions resulted in buying foreign goods & closing British factories - exporting jobs. The Falklands war took massive resources.

The house we bought in 1970 was in an area of family houses. Over the years house prices increased rapidly out of reach of ordinary people. My sons moved out of London to areas where they could buy houses. We have moved near to one of our sons - we're retired & getting older. We've got a much cheaper home in the country - but jobs aren't available nearby. I could move because I've retired.

It's certainly not climate change policy that is cause the elderly to suffer, it's social services. Keeping people well is a lot cheaper than the consequences of deprivation. Hospital beds are becoming blocked as elderly patients have no homes to return to.

 

[Covenanter]

Under right wing Conservatives it's illegal to be poor -

"Couldn't believe my eyes. This poor lady has been fined £200 for begging. She said they have sent her to jail twice for not paying it. A homeless women with no money, no home and no family.

 

[HankD]

Under right wing Conservatives it's illegal to be poor -

Not so much illegal but something that could be overcome and your fault if you didn't at least try.

This was the plight of my mother (stepfather incarcerated) as we grew up in my teen years in NOLA although a local Baptist Church, The RCC, The Salvation Army and the Free Masons helped us with food, clothing, medicine and Christmas toys.

The State - Welfare, no rent housing project (complete with roaches), school lunch and streetcar money.

 

[canadyjd]

Rubbish! Your comments are nasty.

Democracy is in principle, government of the people, by the people, for the people. The work of poor folk makes business successful; higher wages & better conditions mean happier & more productive staff, & increased profits. A better paid work force returns money to the economy. Benefits paid to the poor are returned to the economy, whereas tax cuts for the rich are lost to the economy.

In the post WW2 years 1945-80, the Labour & left inclined Conservatives were competing for who could build the most houses - mainly council building to rent. Houses for sale, usually previously rented, were affordable to ordinary folk. My father, a teacher, bought his house in Southampton for about £1,500 on a salary of about £600 in 1958. I bought my previous house in a London suburb for £6,500 on a salary of £2,000 in 1970.

The basic mortgage rules were a loan of around 3x salary, or the monthly repayments equalled the weekly income.

I had a university grant of £750 p.a in 1957-60 for a 3 year course. The principle was that youngsters should be trained well for maximum benefit to the country. In those years jobs were available with training (apprenticeships) so that young 20s could afford to get married, rent a flat & have a family, with the wife at home looking after the children.

Then the right--wing Conservative Margaret Thatcher changed everything. Council houses were sold off to tenants & local councils were not allowed to use the proceeds for further building. House prices went up too rapidly & fell back, causing negative equity. Two of my sons lost thousands on property. Thatcher's war on trade unions resulted in buying foreign goods & closing British factories - exporting jobs. The Falklands war took massive resources.

The house we bought in 1970 was in an area of family houses. Over the years house prices increased rapidly out of reach of ordinary people. My sons moved out of London to areas where they could buy houses. We have moved near to one of our sons - we're retired & getting older. We've got a much cheaper home in the country - but jobs aren't available nearby. I could move because I've retired.

It's certainly not climate change policy that is cause the elderly to suffer, it's social services. Keeping people well is a lot cheaper than the consequences of deprivation. Hospital beds are becoming blocked as elderly patients have no homes to return to.

The liberal policies that you support have caused this societal meltdown.

How long has Margret Thatcher been out of office? 20 years? More? Why haven't all the liberal policies put into place since cured everything. You've had a couple of decades, haven't you?

How long before liberals realize their "good intentions" are causing real harm to people?