Brown says knife-carrying "unacceptable"

Your comments remind me of the one where the old Quaker farmer was awakened to hear an intruder downstairs. He got his shotgun from the closet and silently proceeded down the stairs, in the near darkness to find someone robbing his home, filling a large bag with his belongings. Leveling his shotgun at the intruder, the old Quaker announced: "Friend, I wisheth thee no harm, but thou art standing where I am about to shoot!" :laugh:

Ed

 

I've seen pictures of President Bush in religious apparel supposedly worshipping an owl god. But, there was no way to verify it as being true. Although, the guy who showed it to me was a believer and scared to death. I did point out that the globalistic whore of Babylon would be destroyed one day.

 

But guns certainly help, don't they; I mean you don't usually kill someone by pointing two fingers at them and shouting 'Bang!' (unless perhaps they have a heart condition).

I think Brown has a point: the number of feral youths on the streets of our cities carrying knives is truly alarming, as is the rising number of fatal stabbings amongst our teen population; the two are surely linked.

 

It is a shame that people want to kill one another, but outlawing weapons is not going to fix the problem. As long as there's a WILL to kill, there's a WAY to kill. If they didn't have guns or knives, they'd find something else to use.

Weapons aren't the real issue here. The real problem stems from the home and their parents.

 

I've tried hard, but failed, to work out the link between your post and Gordon Brown's stance on knife crime. Sorry!

 

I couldn't disagree more. In my day (I'm sounding like my dad here!), young men used to settle their differences with their fists. The worst that would happen is that someone would get a black eye or bloody nose (occasionally, very occasionally, you would get a hospital admission as a result on an (un?)lucky punch). There will always be some young men who are aggressive and who will want to sort things out physically in that way, but how much more destructive and fatal it is to have knives in their fists instead of bare knuckles!

 

I partly agree. It is a matter of the heart. Nevertheless, the homicide rate here in the UK is less than a third of what it is in the United States, regardless of the weapon/method used. I tried (unsuccessfully) to find a site that would show if there was any correlation between a country's gun legislation and its homicide rate.

 

I understand your post Matt. When we were teen agers over here it was much the same. We might fight but only with our fists and once our differences were worked out more often then not we remained friends.

Here is the thing though, we all carried knives and most of us had guns. We understood the consequences of escalating our disagreements and expected force to be met with force. There is a fundamental difference today that goes way beyond available armament. It has more to do with respect for life, self restraint, lack of tolerance, and a lack of absolute rights and wrongs, and a lack of respect for the rule of law.

 

Back then people watched cowboys and indians. Nowadays kids are watching extremely violent images on tv and playing video games that glorify blood and guts. Back then people were more responsible for their kids, now some places need curfews to keep the kids off the streets at night. Society as a whole, will continue to get worse. The Bible even tells us that much.

Taking away guns and knives from everyone is like saying nobody can drive a car anymore because the teenagers are having too many wrecks from reckless driving. You can't punish the whole population because of the actions of a few. If you take away the guns and knives, guess what? They will use ballbats, numchucks, chains, rope, or anything else they can find.

I think lawmakers would be better off finding the underlying CAUSE of the problem and addressing it. Guns are only a symptom, not the cause.

 

Boys still fought then and fight now; put knives in their hands and those fights turn fatal, take knives out and they are much less likely to be so.

 

So how does this comment relate to the following quote?

Sorry, Matt, but it seems that you are buying the old liberal fallacy that "Man is inherently good", and therefore all we need to do is create the ideal society and we'll be forever in the land of "milk & honey".

Tain't so!!! Read about Christ's rule in the millenium and the rod of iron that He rules with! satan's imprisioned, so the rod would not be necessary unless man was disobeying the laws - hence even in a devil-less society sin still exists. Just not as blatent as when ole slew-foot was roaming freely. So much for man's inherent goodness!!!!

Cain lived far closer (time wise) to perfection than we do, and you know what happened there;

What did he use to kill Abel?? Shall we ban that (rock, shovel, hoe, stick?) also.

Place the responsibility where it belongs - on the person doing the deed, not the tool !!:BangHead:

(Common sense is obviously an endangered species.)

 

Boys still fought then and fight now; put num-chucks in their hands and those fights turn fatal, take num-chucks out and they are much less likely to be so.

Boys still fought then and fight now; put guns in their hands and those fights turn fatal, take guns out and they are much less likely to be so.

Boys still fought then and fight now; put bats in their hands and those fights turn fatal, take bats out and they are much less likely to be so.

Boys still fought then and fight now; put stones in their hands and those fights turn fatal, take stones out and they are much less likely to be so.

Boys still fought then and fight now; put gasoline and matches in their hands and those fights turn fatal, take gasoline and matches out and they are much less likely to be so.

Boys still fought then and fight now; put a steeringwheels in their hands and those fights turn fatal, take steeringwheels out and they are much less likely to be so.

See the logic?

To be consistent, you must ban everything a person could possibly use as a weapon...
Because if someone really wanted to kill someonelse, they could do it without a knife or gun.

Do you really think the potential murderer thinks, "Well, gee whiz... guns and knives are banned, I guess I can't kill him"...
No, they will become more creative....

A nanny state does not work...

 

Matt, I'm glad you live in England. There you can have your nanny state and be protected. But, here's the problem. When the thugs break into your house I can assure you that they will not be obeying the law. Most likely they will have a gun or a knife with a blade over six inches. And you, the law abiding citizen, will have nothing. Thank God I have something waiting for the thug that tries to break into my home. I'm not beholding to the nanny state to protect me. In fact I live out in the county jurisdiction. The patrolling sheriff's deputy may be close by or he may be twenty miles away. There's no way I'm putting the safety of my family with that type of police protection. In fact, I wouldn't call it protection at all. Plus, do you think the thug is going to wait while I call 911? Liberals love to disarm society, empower criminals, and tell us that the government is their to protect us. Yeah right.

 

I have several friends from the UK and Europe, and it seems like most of them have a mindset that guns are bad and unnecessary for "civilized" peoples. Some are downright horrified by the idea of gun ownership. This makes me wonder if most Europeans have no personal experience with guns and/or don't know much about them except for what the media reports. So, for our BB friends in other countries besides the US, is this a correct assumption on my part?

By the way, I heard part of Europe was deprived of their weapons right before WWII, which paved the way for Hitler and other dictators to take advantage of the situation. If this is true, it would explain why my international friends are not familiar with "bearing arms" and do not see it in a positive light.

 

What!!!? Do you really mean that Criminals will not obey the law~!!!

Imagine that... a Criminal NOT obeying the law!!! Who would imagine that a Criminal would disobey the law.... (Sarcasam off)

 

It's like they said about registering or outlawing guns.

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

Same way with knives...