Building up the body

[Scarlett O.]

Thought I had talked to you before. Haven't been on CARM for sometime. Matt is still President. Many knowledgeable people on that board also, with many of much knowledge of man. BB is not as hectic as CARM.

Found "Apologetics" forum there most interesting as covering all belief's. Some interesting, and deep thinkers there. Atheists and everything one can think of are accounted for. Didn't spend too much time with them, but they will pester you, As you probably know they know the Bible very well, mainly contradictions they believe they have found, and in to evolution. I avoided them unless they posted to me. I didn't spend too much time on them, but had one personal message from one thanking, as the two contradictions he had been arguing no longer were contradictions to him. From the beginning I thought him an agnostic, I didn't spend but one or two sessions with the true Atheist.

That's the only thing that I didn't like about CARM. I couldn't spend any time rationally discussing anything because I was constantly trying to refute the bible "contradictions" that the atheists kept spouting off.

There is a book somewhere that has a list of bible "contradictions". I can't remember the name of it. That's where they get this stuff and the anti-bible commentaries that they get from it is the only place that they get any scripture. And it's all twisted.

It used to drive me crazy. When I came to the realization that they did not WANT to know the truth is when I left.

 

[Gib]

It used to drive me crazy.

And so now you're here driving us crazy :thumbs:

 

[gb93433]

There is a book somewhere that has a list of bible "contradictions". I can't remember the name of it. That's where they get this stuff and the anti-bible commentaries that they get from it is the only place that they get any scripture. And it's all twisted.

It used to drive me crazy. When I came to the realization that they did not WANT to know the truth is when I left.

I have read a number of those postings and discussed those things in person with people. I have also Emailed some of those people and had ongoing discussions with them. You are right the majority keep going the same way even when confronted with the truth. I have experienced the same things with Mormons who have told me that I am right but just move on out of duty to the Mormon Church. What I have noticed is that they like most Christians settle for an easy explanation. The majority of Christians have been taught that the Bible fits together like a puzzle. So when confronted with something that appears contradictory they are overwhelmed and do not have an explanation. The explanation lies in the history and purpose behind the writing. All scripture must be interpreted in light of its historical context.

There have been times when I visited a church they will be discussing a passage of scripture and the Sunday School teacher will ask something like what does it mean to you. The passage has nothing to do with what it means to me. It is not subject to my interpretation. The question should be, "What does it mean?" or "What is the correct interpretation?"

 

[Hope of Glory]

Yes Hope, but I really came by this knowledge in seeing "dispensations" rather than by linguistic knowledge.

The beautiful thing is that it can be seen both ways, thereby leaving little doubt as to the meanings of things. Context can point to language or language can point to context, and when they support each other, there is no room for doubt as to what's being said.

 

[Scarlett O.]

And so now you're here driving us crazy :thumbs:

I tirelessly and passionately take it to be my life's mission.

 

[ituttut]

I have read a number of those postings and discussed those things in person with people. I have also Emailed some of those people and had ongoing discussions with them. You are right the majority keep going the same way even when confronted with the truth. I have experienced the same things with Mormons who have told me that I am right but just move on out of duty to the Mormon Church. What I have noticed is that they like most Christians settle for an easy explanation. The majority of Christians have been taught that the Bible fits together like a puzzle. So when confronted with something that appears contradictory they are overwhelmed and do not have an explanation. The explanation lies in the history and purpose behind the writing. All scripture must be interpreted in light of its historical context.

There have been times when I visited a church they will be discussing a passage of scripture and the Sunday School teacher will ask something like what does it mean to you. The passage has nothing to do with what it means to me. It is not subject to my interpretation. The question should be, "What does it mean?" or "What is the correct interpretation?"

As we see here, it all comes down to what we believe is the correct interpretation, and not the other. This board wouldn't have lasted 2 days if everyone believed just as you or I.

I believe the teacher could be correct for they could learn from you, or be honing their skill as a teacher, or endeavor to have input from the class to keep up interest, and would like to know your thoughts on the matter.

If the question is Christ Jesus our Lord, the interpretation is made for us, without further study if we believe. But if discussion, or lesson is on Soteriology, Ecclesiology, Pneumatology, etc., many may disagree.


The Bible will have the interpretation for us, but we must be able to interpret correctly as we divide His Word to arrive at what is interpreted for us. It is all there for us, but we have to find it for it to have meaning to us. I believe perhaps this is why a teacher asks, what does it mean to us.

 

[ituttut]

The beautiful thing is that it can be seen both ways, thereby leaving little doubt as to the meanings of things. Context can point to language or language can point to context, and when they support each other, there is no room for doubt as to what's being said.

Amen to that.