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Burning The Koran

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Mark Osgatharp, Jun 11, 2005.

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  1. Mark Osgatharp

    Mark Osgatharp New Member

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    1. For the same reason the Ephesians burned their books of black arts - to publicly proclaim the wickedness thereof.

    2. I have no good will toward Islam. I can show my good will toward Islamic people by doing good to them on a personal level - but I cannot show respect for their religion per se because I don't respect it.

    3. You reasoning is faulty because I have not said it is wrong to read the Koran simply for informational purposes. I have done so and would do so again.

    Mark Osgatharp
     
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  2. Bob Krajcik

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    It would just be nice if they didn't torture or behead us. I can't stand all the hypocrisy of Islam, but when satan is the father of your religion, what can we expect? Moloch and Baal weren't so great either. </font>[/QUOTE]Very well said.
     
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    1. For the same reason the Ephesians burned their books of black arts - to publicly proclaim the wickedness thereof.

    Mark Osgatharp     </font>[/QUOTE]What was the purpose for the Ephesians burning their books of black arts? Did I miss something here, or are you a former Muslim? Do you even own a Koran? I would not spend money on one, since I don't want to support a false religion. It seems to me that the Ephesians burned their books for two reasons:

    1. A public testimony that they have put behind the old life and are now new creations in Christ.

    2. To do away with temptations from their old life.

    Now, unless you were once a Muslim, I don't see how these issues and this passage relates to you. Were you at one time a Muslim?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #23 Joseph_Botwinick, Jun 13, 2005
  4. Mark Osgatharp

    Mark Osgatharp New Member

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    Joseph,

    No, I was never Islamic, but I'm sure you think it's OK for me to bear witness against Islam. You have already said it is OK for former Islamics to bear witness against Islam by burning Korans. So by what reasoning do you reason that it is OK for me to bear witness against Islam but not by burning a Koran, though you do think it's OK for a former Islamic to do so?

    Mark Osgatharp
     
    #24 Mark Osgatharp, Jun 13, 2005
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    Joseph,

    No, I was never Islamic, but I'm sure you think it's OK for me to bear witness against Islam. You have already said it is OK for former Islamics to bear witness against Islam by burning Korans. So by what reasoning do you reason that it is OK for me to bear witness against Islam but not by burning a Koran, though you do think it's OK for a former Islamic to do so?

    Mark Osgatharp     </font>[/QUOTE]Because of the scripture that you posted in defense of burning a Koran.

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  6. Bob Krajcik

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    Perhaps one that has never been Islamic could provide the ignition to burn any copy lawfully provided by another. Any thoughts on this? [​IMG]
     
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    Do you have a Biblical defense for this idea?

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  8. Bob Krajcik

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    Not a clear defense from Scripture. I don't know that providing ignition should be discouraged. Bible teachers teach the account of the books being burned, and if the hearers were converted, and had books they cared to burn, their own property, one might offer ignition. Thus the question if one should offer to provide the ignition. [​IMG]
     
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  9. Mark Osgatharp

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    So are you saying it would be wrong for a man who had never practiced black magic to burn books of black magic? Are the only ones who should burn books of black magic those who have formerly practiced it?

    Suppose there was a man who had never viewed a pornographic book. Suppose this same man found his neighborhood littered with pornography by neighborhood thugs. Would it be wrong for this man to gather up these pornographic books and burn them in sight of his neighbors as a protest against pornography?

    Is a Koran somehow more respectable than a book of black magic or pornography?

    Could it be that the only real reason anyone is opposed to burning (or flushing) Korans is because it is dangerous business?

    For the record, the passage in Acts does not say it is wrong for a man who never practiced black magic to burn books of black magic. At very best, it is neutral on the subject.

    Mark Osgatharp
     
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    No, the real reasons I am opposed has been stated. One, it is disrespectful, and two, I oppose burning ideas with which one disagrees. It has absolutely nothing to do with business.
     
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  11. Mark Osgatharp

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    No, the real reasons I am opposed has been stated. One, it is disrespectful, and two, I oppose burning ideas with which one disagrees. It has absolutely nothing to do with business. </font>[/QUOTE]Magnetic,

    So do you believe that the Ephesian saints were being disrespectful to those who practice black magic when they burned their books of black magic?

    Was it wrong for them to burn those books simply because they disagreed with them?

    Mark Osgatharp
     
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  12. Bob Krajcik

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    It would be wrong to openly burn them in my neighborhood. City ordinance.

    I wonder if it might not be better to discreetly dispose of such refuse, rather than make much commotion. Some things are a shame to speak of.

    Just reflecting. . . There is a need to persuade, but there is also caution needed that one is not unduly influenced against their wills or given false comfort.
     
    #32 Bob Krajcik, Jun 13, 2005
  13. patrick

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    The scripture is talking about turning from their old ways. It is not telling us to have mass burnings.I own a copy of koran. I use it to point out false doctrine.

    I beleive we should turn our backs on our former lives. I hope you understand people notice that kind of thing. While I burned no books people saw a difference in my life.


    Whether muslim or whatever they are lost and our marching orders are to share our faith. We have to show the love of Christ in all we do.
     
    #33 patrick, Jun 16, 2005
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