Bush Changed Iraq for the GOOD....

[righteousdude2]

Bush Made Iraq Better for All!

As hard as this will be for some of the people on this board who have an absolute hate for President George W. Bush, it is an indisputable fact that while he made a mistake on the WMD's, overall, Iraq has been for the good of all its citizen's.:thumbsup:

I read that of the 14,400 people running for a public office in this election, 4,000 are women. This is something that no one ever thought could happen in this Islamic nation.

It is a feel good thing to know that nearly one-third of the candidates on this ballot are women. That is something that I'm sure very few people envisioned as an outcome of the war. That makes the sacrifice of American life's worth it. Bringing that kind of freedom to an Islamic state is a tremendous accomplishment, especially so early in its march toward a democratic government.:1_grouphug: America did not allow women to run for public office until nearly 170 years after it's march to democracy.

Shalom,

Pastor Paul:type:

 

[LadyEagle]

I disagree. Christians and Jews have been driven out of Iraq by the thousands upon thousands since we toppled Saddam because we helped to set up an islamic state. Within days after the coalition forces leave, there will be civil war. These people are uncivilized - they prove their manhood by eating beating hearts out of live bunnies. Their religion (islam) is oppressive, agressive, and depressive to women and will regress to a taliban style once Westerners are gone and Sharia law is firmly in place without Western influence. Changing this country from a secular nation into an islamic state was a grave error Bush made and throwing billions of dollars (much of which is unaccounted for) without considering it loans to be paid back to US taxpayers out of oil profits was another grave error Bush made. I do not hate Bush, btw, but highly disagree with much of his foreign policy. The Shiites and Sunni will be at it again and I pray they don't turn on our troops who they are working alongside right now as our boots on the ground are withdrawn under Obama. Some Iraqi soldiers have already murdered our troops in cold blood, but it is not reported by the main stream media.

 

[Jim1999]

The same is true in Afghanistan! A Canadian soldier is killed almost every day by the very people they are handing gifts and food. I fear what will happen once we pull out in two years.

It reminds me of Korea. We fought and many died and after three years we were gone,,,,,,,,,,,,,and nothing changed. Just look at North Korea to-day!

Cheers,

Jim

 

[matt wade]

I disagree. Christians and Jews have been driven out of Iraq by the thousands upon thousands since we toppled Saddam because we helped to set up an islamic state. Within days after the coalition forces leave, there will be civil war. These people are uncivilized - they prove their manhood by eating beating hearts out of live bunnies. Their religion (islam) is oppressive, agressive, and depressive to women and will regress to a taliban style once Westerners are gone and Sharia law is firmly in place without Western influence. Changing this country from a secular nation into an islamic state was a grave error Bush made and throwing billions of dollars (much of which is unaccounted for) without considering it loans to be paid back to US taxpayers out of oil profits was another grave error Bush made. I do not hate Bush, btw, but highly disagree with much of his foreign policy. The Shiites and Sunni will be at it again and I pray they don't turn on our troops who they are working alongside right now as our boots on the ground are withdrawn under Obama. Some Iraqi soldiers have already murdered our troops in cold blood, but it is not reported by the main stream media.

I wonder how we can get accurate information on what's going on over there? I've heard missionaries stand in front of my church and say that preaching the Word is by far easier now and less prosecuted than it was under Saddam. They are still in danger, don't get me wrong, but they say the danger now is far less than it was.

So, who's right? I'm not saying that your information is wrong, but I'm really confused here. On one hand I hear reports like yours and on the other hand I hear reports like the missionaries. What's the real on the ground situation over there?

 

[hillclimber1]

So, who's right? I'm not saying that your information is wrong, but I'm really confused here. On one hand I hear reports like yours and on the other hand I hear reports like the missionaries. What's the real on the ground situation over there?

I suspect that you believe, as I do, the testimonies of our missionaries, over all others...

 

[just-want-peace]

I suspect that you believe, as I do, the testimonies of our missionaries, over all others...

Of course this does not negate the after effects that LE talked about after we are no longer a prominent presence there.

Unfortunately, I tend to see this same scenario in the good ole US of A in the not too distant future - sans God's direct intervention.

 

[dragonfly]

I disagree. Christians and Jews have been driven out of Iraq by the thousands upon thousands since we toppled Saddam because we helped to set up an islamic state. Within days after the coalition forces leave, there will be civil war. These people are uncivilized - they prove their manhood by eating beating hearts out of live bunnies. Their religion (islam) is oppressive, agressive, and depressive to women and will regress to a taliban style once Westerners are gone and Sharia law is firmly in place without Western influence. Changing this country from a secular nation into an islamic state was a grave error Bush made and throwing billions of dollars (much of which is unaccounted for) without considering it loans to be paid back to US taxpayers out of oil profits was another grave error Bush made. I do not hate Bush, btw, but highly disagree with much of his foreign policy. The Shiites and Sunni will be at it again and I pray they don't turn on our troops who they are working alongside right now as our boots on the ground are withdrawn under Obama. Some Iraqi soldiers have already murdered our troops in cold blood, but it is not reported by the main stream media.

If I had to guess, I would say that you could not be more accurate in your assessment of what is likely to happen in the future in Iraq.

 

[billwald]

Good for the million dead and the half million orphans?

 

[Dragoon68]

The same is true in Afghanistan! A Canadian soldier is killed almost every day by the very people they are handing gifts and food. I fear what will happen once we pull out in two years.

It reminds me of Korea. We fought and many died and after three years we were gone,,,,,,,,,,,,,and nothing changed. Just look at North Korea to-day!

Cheers,

Jim

Just look at South Korea today!

 

[LadyEagle]

I wonder how we can get accurate information on what's going on over there? I've heard missionaries stand in front of my church and say that preaching the Word is by far easier now and less prosecuted than it was under Saddam. They are still in danger, don't get me wrong, but they say the danger now is far less than it was.

So, who's right? I'm not saying that your information is wrong, but I'm really confused here. On one hand I hear reports like yours and on the other hand I hear reports like the missionaries. What's the real on the ground situation over there?

Here are a few links - the missionaries may represent some pockets where there is less danger now, but the news links are out there:
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=14227

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iGDzglMzQnftT6gvmsFlzmYulxNgD962CIG82

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iYuZOHmqu4_zCN4WJ6AzUqCx-Qbg

http://www.christiansofiraq.com/update.html

 

[righteousdude2]

I've Heard Thaat TOO!!!

I wonder how we can get accurate information on what's going on over there? I've heard missionaries stand in front of my church and say that preaching the Word is by far easier now and less prosecuted than it was under Saddam. They are still in danger, don't get me wrong, but they say the danger now is far less than it was.

So, who's right? I'm not saying that your information is wrong, but I'm really confused here. On one hand I hear reports like yours and on the other hand I hear reports like the missionaries. What's the real on the ground situation over there?

AMEN Matt....I've heard missionaries talk about Iraq, and how the Gospel is now being preached. LE has a point, but, I don't know how much is true.

In Nam, the same thing happened to our troops. That is why Cheney and Rumsfeld were right. We needed to remain in Iraq for an undetermined time. I agree that there could be a civil war, still, I remain optimistic that their march toward democracy is much further ahead than anyone expected.

Let's pray that there is NO civil war. But, if there is, one must remember that we, too, had a civil war to hammer out the differences, and we are still alive and well. Well, we're alive, not that well, but, that is because we are moving toward the end times, and things will get worse here and abroad, before we leave this place for good!

Pastor Paul:type:

 

[righteousdude2]

You May Be Right, BUT...

I disagree. Christians and Jews have been driven out of Iraq by the thousands upon thousands since we toppled Saddam because we helped to set up an Islamic state. Within days after the coalition forces leave, there will be civil war. These people are uncivilized - they prove their manhood by eating beating hearts out of live bunnies. Their religion (Islam) is oppressive, aggressive, and depressive to women and will regress to a tali ban style once Westerners are gone and Sharia law is firmly in place without Western influence. Changing this country from a secular nation into an Islamic state was a grave error Bush made and throwing billions of dollars (much of which is unaccounted for) without considering it loans to be paid back to US taxpayers out of oil profits was another grave error Bush made. I do not hate Bush, btw, but highly disagree with much of his foreign policy. The Shiites and Sunni will be at it again and I pray they don't turn on our troops who they are working alongside right now as our boots on the ground are withdrawn under Obama. Some Iraqi soldiers have already murdered our troops in cold blood, but it is not reported by the main stream media.

Woman have gained the right to vote and run for office, and just maybe, these same woman will have an effect on the potential scenario that you so accurately laid out. It should be our prayer that this democracy work out, even if it takes a civil war to get there. We had a civil war, and we got there, but, now we are headed toward ruin, sans the intervention of God. Of course, I believe what is happening in America is the perfect will of God, and it has to happen, even in Iraq, if we hope to see the return of Jesus.

We weren't promised eternity on earth [as it is now]....but, He did promise to come and take us out of here before all "Hell" breaks loose. And in Revelations, it is this "Hell like environment" that will lead many to their last chance to be saved. Unfortunately, many will continue to sin, and curse God.

Pastor Paul:type: