Bush Has Crossed the Rubicon

Under "unreasonable search and seizure." The courts have been very firm on this.

And yes, the president can gather foreign intelligence. Not domestic spying, as Bush now admits he did. That is a violation of the law.

I gather, since you didn't bother to deny it, that you realize Bush claims he can take away your Constitutional right to due process by simply declaring you an enemy. </font>[/QUOTE]Your above statement is untrue. The NSA listened to conversations between foreign terrorists and people in this country. You Bush Haters are will have to find something else to beat Bush over the head with. </font>[/QUOTE]Under the Patriot Act the government can:

1. Break into your house without a search warrant,

2. Arrest you without due cause just by saying they think you have "links to terrorism,"

3. Throw you into jail without a phone call or recourse to a lawyer,

4. Keep you in jail without charging you with anything.

5. Keep you there for as long as they want.

Understand that I'm talking about doing these things to American citizens in the U.S. The first thing actually happened to a Christian friend of mine. Ultimately, the FBI admitted that they were wrong but refused to pay for the damage to his home and told him he couldn't tell anyone about what had happened. He did tell me but wouldn't go forward to our Congressman or Senators whom I had contacted. (I wonder why. Big Brother has a lot of muscle.)

 

I guess, from past experience, that I'm asking a lot, but do you have any names of people who've had any of the above stuff actually happen to them ?

 

Okay, let's get down and dirty and get the real red flags going up. Dare I? Let's talk about the IRS and how they bully people around, even taking the toothbrush from an old Amish man in Pennsylvania (years ago, but happened nonetheless). Anybody here ever gone through an audit? Let me tell you, plenty of people have suffered at the hands of the IRS long before any Patriot Act. (At least Bush has put a kindler, gentler face on the IRS.)

Now, I'm putting on my foil hat for sure!

 

Never been audited but have heard too many horror stories about the IRS. Unfortunately the taxpayers have little or no recourse. The solution is to change the tax structure to eliminate the IRS. The worst mistake this country ever made, other than Roe v Wade, was passing the 16th Amendment.

 

Sorry. Even the FBI has admitted most of the wiretaps were useless, between people with no links to terrorism. I'd be pleased to see your evidence that even a majority of them were between terrorists and other people.

We'll know that when you support your statement with some evidence.

 

Who knows. I understand that jailed felons now have access to the internet!

 

Be careful Ponch, or you may find yourself in the Ministry of Love in room 101 for having a memory longer than the average propaganda cycle. Don't forget Big Brother's third point.

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

 

Ah yes, at least in the Orwellian view of of the Ministry of Love.

 

Yes. Try to be a little more christian in your posts. I know that's difficult.

 

The Patriot Act: Targeting American Citizens link. </font>[/QUOTE]And we all know that anything on the internet is written by the moving finger of God.

 

Could you identify those 5 "BIG CORPORATIONS". I need to know the ones to which I should listen. I thought there were at least 500 [The S&P 500]. That would sure lesson my labors.

 

Surely you are not going to claim that NBC, CBS, ABC, or CNN are pro Bush.

I Haven't listened to network news since the days of ABC's Howard K. Smith. Gave up on CNN, the Clinton News Network. I currently listen to Fox News, fair and balanced with a conservative, or perhaps truthful, bias!