Bush's new plan for citizenship

"The president believes and most of us here believe that the 11 million undocumented people are also workers," Mr. Graham said. "We couldn't get by as a nation without those workers and without those people."

Balderdash!

And, just what does Graham Cracker think the unemployement figures portend?

And, he has the **NERVE** to say such a thing when SC has such a high unemployement rate and Jobs are **leaving** the state!

Care to Guess who won't get my vote when he runs again? If he dares?

Mike Sr.

 

It always amazes me how the left wing of the democratic party can make there people tow the line and vote as a block, but the republicans constantly fight among themselves.

Now we have something where the republicans should be solid against it for the protection of our country and half of them will probably support this instead.

 

In 2003, behind the American peoples' back, george
bush used his executive powers to form "faith based" groups giving them federal grants, tax
exempt status and the right to refuse to hire
anyone based on religious beliefs.

His plan is to "jump start" manufactering using
the church. And now, as it would appear, catholic
mexican immigrants will play a role in this plan.

I don't mind welcoming poor, downtrodden people
here to make a better life for themselves. What
is so outrageous is the fact that it's being done
at the expense of American job security while
our government disreguards The Constitution.

The Bible and God will always be present. The
document that protects Americans from tyranny
may not...

 

Bush is only working to do away with our borders, which he will complete when he gets the FTAA pushed through Congress.

 

I have written to my Senators. Millions of Americans have honorably gone through the process of becoming citizens. This cheapens their honor and validates law-breaking. It stinks.

 

I have no problem with immigration. My beef is with illegal immigration. If the issue is the difficulty of persons from entering legally, then let's find ways to make it easier for a person to enter legally, instead of rewarding those who have done so illegally.

I personally don't have a problem with a guest worker program. But I don't think a guest worker should be permitted indefinitely to remain in hte US (it should be for a specific amount of time).

As for citizenship, as an immigrant myself who is a naturalized citizen, I think that any program that permits people to cut in front of others in naturalization line is a Hoover shame (remember that Hoover is a large dam).

 

Hoover shame - I love it, LOL.

 

Yep, and the only problem he and the Clintons really have to work on is to keep us beliving they are on opposite sides of the fence till they get it done.

 

Yep, and the only problem he and the Clintons really have to work on is to keep us believing they are on opposite sides of the fence till they get it done. </font>[/QUOTE]I don't agree about the stated reason for the position President Bush is taking on the illegal immigrants. I don't think it has anything to do with a conspiracy to do away with the borders. He's trying to solve the problem by a compromise that he believes would benefit both sides. I respect that even though I don't agree with it. However, I don't find it necessary to label his plan as something more - something evil - than it is.

I do disagree with the plan being proposed that would legalize the status of present illegal immigrants and also disagree that they are needed for our work force. As fellow humans, I don't fault them for seeking work or benefits, which ever the case may be, here in the great nation. However, I do fault them as breaking our law and getting in line ahead of a lot of other people that have come here, or would like to come here, legally.

I'm against any plan that legalizes what's already illegal. Doing so opens the door to further problems do the road. Taking a hard stance - strengthening and enforcing the law - will meet with a lot of protest and some public disapproval but, long term, we have to make our laws work. We can already see that from the protests that have taken place and the comments made by many representatives who are very sensitive to public opinion.

If we want this to end up going the right direction we'd better speak up now and let our representatives know what we want done. Blaming the President won't help. Communicating what we expect - what we demand - from those that make the laws can make a difference. That's where the focus needs to be.

Perhaps we need some pro-law demonstrations to show most Americans want the immigration laws strengthened and enforced.

At the same time, I must remind us that we are a nation of immigrants - many in my own family - and we need to keep separate the issue of legal immigration from illegal immigration. Legal immigrants are not our enemies. They are our fellow residents or naturalized citizens holding the same rights as we do.

 

Then I suggest you turn off the Rupert/Rothschild news agency (Fox) for a few nights and start reading what the globalists have been saying all along Dragoon. You might find the easiest place to start is here.

Reading is fundamental.

You might also want to do a little reading on the FTAA also.

 

We could live without the illegals but it would be a pre WW2 economy with half the population living on the edge of poverty.

 

How would that be the result?

 

Then I suggest you turn off the Rupert/Rothschild news agency (Fox) for a few nights and start reading what the globalists have been saying all along Dragoon. You might find the easiest place to start is here.

Reading is fundamental.

You might also want to do a little reading on the FTAA also. </font>[/QUOTE]Carefully choosing what one reads, comprehending what is read, thinking clearly upon it, and formulating solid and accurate conclusions from it is also fundamental.

I do not agree with the proposed policy for dealing with illegal immigrants. I want the law to be strengthened and totally enforced. I want the people that are not here legally to be removed.

I do not agree with the idea that this is part of a global conspiracy to remove our borders. We just haven't done a good job - for several generations - of maintaining our borders and now it has caught up with us. The problem is big and people are looking for an easy way out - one that's politically appealing.

 

Carefully avoiding what the globalists have been calling for all along and not comparing it to the actions governments have already taken to implement those plans isn't quite what I would call formulating solid accurate conclusions Dragoon, but if outta sight outta mind helps you to keep thinking George Bush or another POTUS represents the will the people who am I to point out those pesky facts? I wouldn't want to wake anybody up when they are in the middle of a good dream.

 

So do I, but it's a dream. Bush is going to meet with Vincente Fox this weekend. He'll get his amnesty bill passed by hook and crook, by George. No pun intended.

 

Some aspects of the global conspirarcy theory seem well rooted in strange dreams.

Reality is that our government isn't perfect and neither are the citizens it serves but it doesn't all point to a global conspirarcy. Some things are just much simplier than that and don't need to be made into something too complex.

I will grant you that there is one global conspirarcy at work and it's nothing new. That conspirarcy is the work of Satan, our mortal enemy, and his fallen angels whom we all too often willingly follow. He's been busy pushing his agenda since before the fall of mankind.

 

So do I, but it's a dream. Bush is going to meet with Vincente Fox this weekend. He'll get his amnesty bill passed by hook and crook, by George. No pun intended. </font>[/QUOTE]I hope not but agree that you may be correct.

I must add that it is not his bill but one being formulated by the Congress and that Congress is most certainly influenced by events in the streets during the past weeks worrying about those votes to be had or to be lost.

On this subject, we will see much pandering and excusing and rationalizing of what is illegal from many corners of our society and from a large percentage of the our citizens. It is happening right now in city halls and state capitols. The news media will be very helpful to the cause.

 

Poncho, what territory are we in? I never can seem to get my hands on that map, you know, the one where the world is all divided up into global territories. Isn't our zone the one that includes all of North and Central America?

Dragoon, you are correct about the global conspiracy which has been going on for a very long time. But in a way, it's sad, but also exciting. We are living in the end times. The sad part is our illusions and delusions and dreams about our nation are becoming toast. The exciting good part is that Jesus is Coming Soon and all these are signs that point to His Soon Appearing.

 

I agree with what you said here LE. It's right on. We are in the last days and the differences of opinion over the "ILLEGAL" immigrants should stand out as a prime example, of right being wrong and wrong being right. This issue should be a non-issue because it's so clear. The democrats are succeeding in driving doubt deep within the conservatve right wingers, knowing some will abandon the GOP. And further knowing that Democrats will never leave their party.