Caffeinated Teetotalers

[Gorship]

Not trying to bust on you, but the fall back argument against alcohol is the "altered state" stance. Which, as you have helped to show, there is a lot of things that create altered states and not many argue against those. I agree with drunkenness being a problem, but we cannot simply say an altered state is a problem.

I think we agree then lol. I dont think "altered state" is a good enough definition to say something is sinful or not. I dont think caffeine is a problem.. I do think anything in excess can be sinful, or gluttonus (spelling is hard). Also certain drugs like alcohol, we can take their properties that they cause and use those to tackle subjects like cocaine, meth, marijuana/pot, etc. Its good interesting conversation at the very least.

 

[InTheLight]

I just read about college students that are taking prescription stimulants to help them study for tests. How about that? Instead of drinking coffee to wake up in the morning is it OK to take Adderall and/or Ritalin to shake the grumpiness away? Why or why not?

 

[preacher4truth]

Abuse of or being controlled by any substance is sin. Including food. Therein is the key.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Some people are grumpy in the morning until they've had a bowel movement. I guess bowel movements should be considered taboo too.:laugh:

 

[saturneptune]

Abuse of or being controlled by any substance is sin. Including food. Therein is the key.

Is that why the rarest creature on earth is a thin Baptist preacher?

 

[saturneptune]

No doubt the Baptist faith does not need another Pharisee rule to go by. For those who think this caffeine issue is an issue to die for, I am sure the Church of Christ has many openings.

 

[preacher4truth]

Is that why the rarest creature on earth is a thin Baptist preacher?

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Interesting. People want to take us to lunch after church and trip out if we don't gorge at the buffet like they do. They'll eat 3 or 9 plates of dinner and dessert, and ask if something is wrong because we didn't gorge ourselves along with them. As a matter of fact, I had a preacher rebuke me at a preachers fellowship because he said I was in shape and therefore due to this I will be in trouble (with women). I suppose if I were fat like him, then we could be buddies?

I have to watch what I eat and I have to lift weights and workout to combat a high incidence of diabetes in our family. So far it has worked.

 

[Havensdad]

Drunkenness from ethanol and High doses of Caffeine are quite different. Caffeine mega doses don't give you the "who hath woe, who hath sorrow". or the not feeling pain, I have never woken up covered in vomit with an empty wallet from drinking lots of coffee.

Apparently you have never spent an evening at Starbucks.

Actually, large doses of strong coffee/caffeine have essentially the same effect on the body as cocaine or speed.

:tonofbricks:

 

[Gorship]

Apparently you have never spent an evening at Starbucks.

Actually, large doses of strong coffee/caffeine have essentially the same effect on the body as cocaine or speed.

:tonofbricks:

Yes and no. Cocaine has a lot of other physiological effects that Caffeine doesn't produce. Furthermore, as I have stated many o' time, you can get drunk on water... do we just not drink water? I would need someone to build quite a strong case against caffeine for me to be convinced.

 

[saturneptune]

Apparently you have never spent an evening at Starbucks.

Actually, large doses of strong coffee/caffeine have essentially the same effect on the body as cocaine or speed.

:tonofbricks:

I went to a Starbucks one time, and had no idea what the items on the menu even meant. I just went because the person I was with wanted to go. When I asked for a regular cup of coffee, he looked at me like I was crazy (which is probably true). Anyway, that was the most expensive cup of coffee I ever got. The following Christmas, I got a Starbucks card for a gift. Anyway, I gave it to my daughter so she could use it.

 

[salzer mtn]

I don't drink coffee, I never acquired the taste for it.

 

[webdog]

I went to a Starbucks one time, and had no idea what the items on the menu even meant. I just went because the person I was with wanted to go. When I asked for a regular cup of coffee, he looked at me like I was crazy (which is probably true). Anyway, that was the most expensive cup of coffee I ever got. The following Christmas, I got a Starbucks card for a gift. Anyway, I gave it to my daughter so she could use it.

He probably was confused on the size. They go by tall, grande and venti. Stupid.

 

[Revmitchell]

I love coffee never had to acquire the taste for it. I have just always liked it.

 

[drfuss]

Do you think continually being high on caffeine can adversely affect the leading of The Lord in your life?

Can continually being high on caffeine affect our feeling the presence of The Lord?

 

[Salty]

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People want As a matter of fact, I had a preacher rebuke me at a preachers fellowship because he said I was in shape and therefore due to this I will be in trouble (with women). I suppose if I were fat like him, then we could be buddies?

I mentioned this to Mrs Salty- said "What" I suppose that preacher must need an excuse for being overweight.

I don't drink coffee, I never acquired the taste for it.

Me either - and I don't drink cappuccino either
(does that make us twins)

I love coffee never had to acquire the taste for it. I have just always liked it.

Must be a Marine thing

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Simple question. Are those who rail against alcohol consumption while partaking of caffeinated beverages living by a convenient double standard? In other words, is it a hypocritical position that they maintain?

Arbo..I start my day with 3 habitual cups of Joe then throughout the day another 2 or 3...but I am not a tea totaler

 

[HisWitness]

So your measure of what is sin is what is legal, not Biblical?

SIN is the Transgression of Yah's Law..---SO show Yah's law that states it is wrong to consume alcoholic drinks ???????

I didn't say to get drunk ----I said to consume in moderation ?????

 

[Arbo]

Arbo..I start my day with 3 habitual cups of Joe then throughout the day another 2 or 3...but I am not a tea totaler

Three days per week (semi-retired), my day begins at 1 AM. Monday, Tisdag, and Wednesday I deserve my coffee.:laugh: