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[SeekingTruth]

LTN, I didn't call them "common" criminals. I said they are unpunished criminals. So, if a criminal establishes a family, on that sub-minimum wage you keep talking about, then he/she should not be punished for the laws they broke? What a strange concept.

Let me see if I have this straight: I commit an illegal act, get away with it for several years, marry, have kids, buy a house, etc. Therefore, I should not be punished for my crime? Ridiculous. Deport them and their family, and allow them to enter the line of folks wanting in legally. That word, legally, does not seem so hard to understand. It has nothing to do with compassion or Christian love. Why should criminals be rewarded for their acts?

 

[LoveThyNeighbour]

becuuse
To reiterate, if they are willing to risk death crossing the border, suffer day in day out prejudice and stereotyping, just so they can get a sub-min wage salary... then surely that says something about their motives. I dont think they do it 'with evil in their heart'.

so full repatriation, of children and all, is a disproprtionate punishment. You can have fines and force them to pay back all the taxes they ow (as Specter's Guest Worker bill does)...

i'm not saing it should go unpunished, just that the punishment should fit the crime.. I mean moses had different levels of punishments depending on the evil of the crime...

 

[LadyEagle]

force them to pay back all the taxes they ow

How is that possible, being as they are being paid "under the table" and off the books.

The US has this crazy law which should have been done away with long ago - that is anyone who is born on US soil automatically becomes a citizen. So what we have now are thousands (if not millions) of pregnant Mexican women who have come across our borders illegally just to have their babies on US soil so their children will become automatic US citizens. Naturally, they have no health insurance, so hospitals deliver their babies and treat the infants and mothers for free. Except it's not free. Those of us who are US citizens and work here and pay taxes and pay for health care are subsidizing all these illegal aliens and their babies, who, also, because they have no income, no reportable income, or very low income, automatically receive tax-payer funded entitlements, like our WIC program. And free public education for the children. Of course, we don't require the moms to learn English, either. We hire interpreters so they can have the best of health care and taxpayer funded entitlements in their own language.

 

[LoveThyNeighbour]

Surely 'alien' or foreign or not we should provide healthcare. I mean isn't thats what aid is about. Since we are all God's people its not a problem providing healthcare for a mexican, in the same way its not a problem if the govt provides healtchre for children living in uganda... i mean as a percentage of GDP - money spent on healtcare for foreigners is low - i personally don't mind paying more to the govt if its gonna be used for saving lives in healtcare (be they american, british, mexican...)

The other thing i've always found about this whole "my taxes are wasted on welfare" is why do people get so riled about losing a bit more money to the govt - surely if we don't 'love money' we dont mind giving it to social programs like foreign aid, health, education for those whose cant afford it etc.

ST. LUKE, VI
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.


1 TIMOTHY, VI
17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;


It's not a coincidence that in the scriptures, poverty is mentioned more than 2,100 times. It's not an accident. That's a lot of air time, 2,100 mentions. (You know, the only time Christ is judgmental is on the subject of the poor.)

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by LoveThyNeighbour:
in the same way its not a problem if the govt provides healtchre

The government has no business providing health care. Increasing government involvement in our nation's health care system over the past forty years is a major contributing cause to our health care system being on the verge of going bust in the coming years.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by LoveThyNeighbour:
surely if we don't 'love money' we dont mind giving it to social programs

Government socialism is immoral. It is immoral for the government to take money by force from one person and to give it to another person.

The only moral method is private charity.

 

[LoveThyNeighbour]

If the govt. enforcing basic christian-morality is immoral, then does that go for gay-marriage, anti-sodomy, Abortion.

I really struggle to see the differnece between the ACLU bleating on about "private freedoms" when the issue of gay-marriage comes up, and you talking about being forced into giving to the needy.

God talks about "delighting in the law" - i don't mind not being allowed to get married to my own sex, as i shouldn't be doing that anyways. Similarly i don't mind haveing money being taken by the govt. when its being spent on compassion like anti-poverty programs - should i be doing that anyway -and shouldn't i not love money.

JAMES, II
15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?
17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

LEVITICUS, XXV
35 And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by LoveThyNeighbour:
i don't mind haveing money being taken by the govt.

Fine, then why don't you give your money(without the government taking it) to wasteful, socialistic government programs while the rest of us give money to private charities that actually do some good in this world.

 

[LoveThyNeighbour]

Now your getting slightly personal. As it happens i give to charity, and do voluntary work with the homeless to.

as i said before govt. programs are more inefficient. Anmd i'm glad to hear you give to charity.However, many, many americans aren't very generous. These are the atheists, the humanists, the faker-chrisitians.

As i said before it's like gay-marriage. Just becasue you or i wouldn't engage in such abomination dosn't mean others won't. Its irrelevant that some of us give.. since so many won't on their own accord

BTW: we seem to be anwering the same Q twice in two forums, isuggest we just stick to the "Living With Illegals" forum

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by LoveThyNeighbour:
However, many, many americans aren't very generous.

That's none of the government's business. We have a written constitution in this country that is supposed to limit the government's power to meddle in our lives and impose its will on us.

 

[LoveThyNeighbour]

"government's power to meddle in our lives"

does that mean that state govts. cant interfre in the way we conduct over areas of morality such as sodomy, gay-marriage, abortion

 

[KenH]

The government should stay out of the sodomy issue.

I believe in the separation of marriage and state.

Abortion should be outlawed totally as it violates the rights of the unborn baby.

 

[LoveThyNeighbour]

With you libertarianism, do you also support the legalisation of marijuana?

because if you do you seem to violate your principle of - "the govt shouldnt ever interfere with lives" even if it is a pressing moral and compassion issue