Called. But chosen?

Yelsew,

There is nothing I can find in your last post I would particularly disagree with, though somehow I find that odd, since we have so often been at opposite ends. Nevertheless, my former statement I would like to reiterate:

If this question is pertaining to whether or not these two were called but not chosen, or whether their death shows their calling, but not their election, I simply state we have no real way of knowing their position, however, I caution all that membership in a family, whether of the high priest, or a church family does not constitute salvation, if these two did end up condemned, then they simply were not elected, election is not the result of proximity, but was decided in eternity past, when God acted upon His will. This is my believe and until Scripture is sufficiently provided to prove it otherwise, I will rest in this position.

God Bless you in your walk and service to Him.
Bro. Dallas

All this scripture definitely teaches (imo) is the immediacy of the Judgement of God during the dispensation of the O.T. The dispensation of Grace is of a different nature, judgement is often a long process whereby God (when dealing with saved individuals) works in the heart.

 

I'm not sure I can agree with this statement. Law is written to be obeyed whether or not you understand it, and it has its "temple police" to enforce the law, whether or not they understand it. If you understand a law, then you will more willingly obey it. I'm not sure the new covenant was intended to be so legalistic.

Under the law, relationship may have been implied, but it was and is not stressed. The law demanded obedience that should have resulted in relationship. Under grace, relationship is expected, relationship brings with it respect and obedience, kind of like marriage was intended to be!

[ November 11, 2002, 08:22 PM: Message edited by: Yelsew ]

 

You are correct about the demand for obedience; but I believe the relationship was first national, but not limited to this. At Ex. 12 we find the requirements for prevention of the visit of the angel of death upon the households of Israel. I would submit, any Egyptian knowing of the requirement of applying the blood to the doorposts of their homes would have not suffered a visit from the angel of death. I believe this is found at vss. 12-13. The relationship entered into was that of belief in the application of the blood; the only requirement I can see. if I am wrong you can help me better understand it, yet Galatians says no one is justified through the law, thus the relationship of the law is but to frustrate the one who attempts to seek righteousness thereby. Apart from having the relationship the law cannot be fulfilled, because it is only fulfilled in Christ, Matthew 5; we, even as saved persons cannot enjoy a fulfillment of it, but are forced to approach God daily in prayer seeking grace for repentance because of sin both known and unknown.

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas