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Calling for dead cops is not peaceful protesting!

Sapper Woody

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MMA?? That's kick boxing world------the "Dark Side" of 6 Flags over Texas!!!



At the risk of being off topic and argumentative at the same time, I must point out that kick boxing and MMA are two separate entities. Closely related, but separate.



MMA allows for any style to be used (including kickboxing), while kickboxing is a style/sport all on its own.
 

annsni

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Guys like us do not fill the room, we encompass it. Don't be sizist. :laugh:

Seriously!! Until Jeremy came into my house, I didn't really get the perspective of just.how.big.this.boy.is!!

Here is a pic of him with my daughter who is 120 lbs. and 5'4". Encompass is right!

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Revmitchell

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Seriously!! Until Jeremy came into my house, I didn't really get the perspective of just.how.big.this.boy.is!!

Here is a pic of him with my daughter who is 120 lbs. and 5'4". Encompass is right!

The same difference between me and my wife.
 

annsni

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The same difference between me and my wife.

And you are still together so they have a good hope for a future! :D

There are no plans for a wedding just yet but Nicole did say to me that they may get married just before she's done with her fourth year of grad school so all of her professional information is in her married name. Dad kind of flipped at that. ;)
 

Zaac

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Think about the definition of murder, Zaac. Murder implies that at least one of these two police officers thought about and planned out how to kill the person they killed, prior to killing them. Given the situations, I have to doubt that either was able to formulate malice aforethought prior to the incident.

Seeing as it is impossible to prove that either officer actively sought to kill their victim, murder becomes an overreach when going before a jury. Likely, at best, involuntary manslaughter would be their best charge, and that carries far softer penalties than murder.


A prosecutor can put forth any charge he wishes.


So if we don't hold to the Zaac Theory of Justice then we're just "blood thirsty" folks, huh? :smilewinkgrin:

I don't have a theory of Justice. I'll leave that to Jesus.:smilewinkgrin:
 

PreachTony

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A prosecutor can put forth any charge he wishes.

No doubt. I was just trying to say that, while they can bring any charge they want, the jury will often see the overreach in case like this. I know I brought up the Trayvon Martin case earlier to help make a point. Reconsider that case. As the trial was presented to the jury, it became obvious that the prosecution had overreached by pressing for 2nd Degree Murder. It was such a blatant mistake by the prosecution that they began grasping at any straw they could, even considering bringing "child abuse" charges against George Zimmerman.

I bring this up to say that we can't just throw around charges like murder and expect them to stick. Would you actually prefer the prosecutor have twisted the evidence and deceptively addressed the grand jury just to take someone to trial? Even when the evidence was fairly overwhelming that the media's narrative was not accurate?
 

Zaac

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No doubt. I was just trying to say that, while they can bring any charge they want, the jury will often see the overreach in case like this. I know I brought up the Trayvon Martin case earlier to help make a point. Reconsider that case. As the trial was presented to the jury, it became obvious that the prosecution had overreached by pressing for 2nd Degree Murder. It was such a blatant mistake by the prosecution that they began grasping at any straw they could, even considering bringing "child abuse" charges against George Zimmerman.

I bring this up to say that we can't just throw around charges like murder and expect them to stick.

Again, a prosecutor can ask for any charge he wishes. Even AFTER the grand jury says no, he can still bring charges.

A prosecutor CAN throw around any charge he wishes. They do it all the time. It's not a grand jury's purpose to decide guilt or innocence but rather if there is ample evidence to warrant a trial. If there's months of evidence to be reviewed, there's ample evidence to move to trial.

If the prosecutor in the Mike Brown case wanted to indict for murder, there is absolutely no reason at all to present ALL of the available evidence. It amounts to legal buffoonery, and any legal defense attorney or prosecutor who is being honest will tell you there's no reason to do what the prosecutor did if he were trying to prosecute.

The fact that the national guard was called up before the "Decision" affirms what was known the minute the prosecutor said it would take weeks to review all of the evidence.

That's an IMMEDIATE "he doesn't want to prosecute".

And they didn't just throw around charges. A man was shot dead. It was either murder, manslaughter or a rightful(in the eyes of the law) killing. So nothing was just thrown around.

Would you actually prefer the prosecutor have twisted the evidence and deceptively addressed the grand jury just to take someone to trial?

See you're confused again. It is NOT the prosecutor's JOB to NOT take someone to trial. His JOB is to push for the indictment and to PROSECUTE.

It has nothing to do with being deceptive and twisting of evidence especially in this instance. The only deception demonstrated here was from a prosecutor hired to prosecute who wasn't trying to prosecute.

Even when the evidence was fairly overwhelming that the media's narrative was not accurate?

Then don't send it to the grand jury. If he thought there wasn't ample evidence , he didn't have to give the case to a grand jury.

But when you're trying to not do the job you were hired to do, he deserves to be fired and disbarred.

It's an extremely low bar and grand juries generally ALWAYS indict if a prosecutor brings a case before them because the bar is so low.

But this was a deliberate design to bypass due process and amazingly the folks always talking about "the rule of law" applauded it.
 

carpro

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Except for public pressure, the prosecutor may not have presented it to the grand jury.

The prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin case yielded to public pressure and the grand jury sent it to trial. A waste of time and money. He knew he didn't have a case.

If Officer Wilson's case had gone to trial, he would have been found not guilty as well. They had no case. It was a good move by the prosecutor to present as much evidence to the grand jury as possible to avoid an expensive and useless trial.

I congratulate him and the grand jury for a job well done. :applause:
 

Zaac

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Except for public pressure, the prosecutor may not have presented it to the grand jury.

That says that he STILL didn't do his job.

The prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin case yielded to public pressure and the grand jury sent it to trial. A waste of time and money. He knew he didn't have a case.

That would say he didn't do his job either if that had been the case. But again, the bar is low and the indictment was correct. Let a jury deal with it. That's the process.

If Officer Wilson's case had gone to trial, he would have been found not guilty as well. They had no case. It was a good move by the prosecutor to present as much evidence to the grand jury as possible to avoid an expensive and useless trial.

You just admitted that the prosecutor didn't do what he was hired to do.

I congratulate him and the grand jury for a job well done. :applause:

Yep, there's that hypocrisy. But we like for folks to think we're concerned about the rule of law.

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carpro

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The law rocks. Justice was done.

Bury the bully and wannabe cop killer and let's move on. :wavey:
 

Zaac

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The law rocks. Justice was done.

Bury the bully and wannabe cop killer and let's move on. :wavey:

There's that good ole Christian spirit.

See blackbird. If we could just bottle some of this and hand it out as we're sharing the Gospel, the lost will just eat it up. :rolleyes:

But we're not gonna apologize or repent.

God help us.
 

carpro

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There is nothing to apologize for or repent from. A young bully tried to take a cop's gun and got himself killed instead of killing the cop like he planned.

Your sanctomonious blatherings have been meant only to incite further strife. It is you who should repent from your divisive ways, but we all know repentence is not in your playbook.

So excuse me for seeing right through your act. The rest of us can move on while you wallow in your own sins and howl into the wind.
 

Zaac

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There is nothing to apologize for or repent from. A young bully tried to take a cop's gun and got himself killed instead of killing the cop like he planned.

As always, you lack a clue.

Your sanctomonious blatherings have been meant only to incite further strife. It is you who should repent from your divisive ways, but we all know repentence is not in your playbook.

It's not possible to fashion further strife more expertly than you and your ilk continue to do.

But like I've said in the past because of the continous wickedness coming from God's people where they harden their hearts and refuse to repent of said wickedness or even acknowledge the wickedness, you shall continue to get more and more of what you don't want.


So excuse me for seeing right through your act. The rest of us can move on while you wallow in your own sins and howl into the wind.

You need to ignore my act and start examining your heart.
 

PreachTony

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Except for public pressure, the prosecutor may not have presented it to the grand jury.

The prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin case yielded to public pressure and the grand jury sent it to trial. A waste of time and money. He knew he didn't have a case.

If Officer Wilson's case had gone to trial, he would have been found not guilty as well. They had no case. It was a good move by the prosecutor to present as much evidence to the grand jury as possible to avoid an expensive and useless trial.

I congratulate him and the grand jury for a job well done. :applause:

That says that he STILL didn't do his job.

That would say he didn't do his job either if that had been the case. But again, the bar is low and the indictment was correct. Let a jury deal with it. That's the process.

You just admitted that the prosecutor didn't do what he was hired to do.

Yep, there's that hypocrisy. But we like for folks to think we're concerned about the rule of law.

So you would rather a prosecutor waste money and time bringing a case to trial that everyone knows has no merits, just so he can say he did his job?
 

Revmitchell

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So you would rather a prosecutor waste money and time bringing a case to trial that everyone knows has no merits, just so he can say he did his job?

Zaac thinks he knows what the prosecutors job is. This is what sharpton and other are doing as well. By asserting what they want to be his job in this handpicked case they think they may be able to put pressure on him to go ahead and do what they want. It is a political tactic it is not genuine nor is it honest.
 

Zaac

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So you would rather a prosecutor waste money and time bringing a case to trial that everyone knows has no merits, just so he can say he did his job?

Umm YES. That's what he was hired to do. to PROSECUTE.
Are you listening to yourself? Prosecutors aren't hired to save money. They are hired to do a JOB.

And what everyone else thinks has merit is irrelevant.

It's unbelievable that you're sitting here attempting to justify a prosecutor bypassing due process because it would waste money and everyone knows it has no merits.

But then people want to turn around and say that justice is blind.

What you're talking about is again one of the primary reasons a lot of black people have given for why they don't trust the justice system. Rather than go through due process that is supposed to bring about some measure of justice, you're advocating that prosecutors be ruled by a bottom line and a straw poll of what people think has merit.

Absolutely crazy.

The love of money...
 

blackbird

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Umm YES. That's what he was hired to do. to PROSECUTE.
Are you listening to yourself? Prosecutors aren't hired to save money. They are hired to do a JOB.

And what everyone else thinks has merit is irrelevant.

It's unbelievable that you're sitting here attempting to justify a prosecutor bypassing due process because it would waste money and everyone knows it has no merits.

But then people want to turn around and say that justice is blind.

What you're talking about is again one of the primary reasons a lot of black people have given for why they don't trust the justice system. Rather than go through due process that is supposed to bring about some measure of justice, you're advocating that prosecutors be ruled by a bottom line and a straw poll of what people think has merit.

Absolutely crazy.

The love of money...

Due process was NOT bypassed!!! The DA office of each state, county, city, province was established to PREVENT ------- mob rule---in this case---the mob didn't get what they wanted----thus the protests and the maylay that resulted from out of control mobs-----the mob assumed guilt----they didn't get guilt-----did they???!! The DA office exists to protect the innocent according to due process!!! The trouble rose when the DA processed something that contradicted what the mob outside processed!!
 
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