Calvin missed this aspect of Foreknowledge

what is?

I was hoping to do this the easy way...but this does not look like it will work. So, lets do this another way. If this does not help, I will step in and see if I can give answer on my own. You have posted the above rather simple meaning. I want to get to the root, for full understanding. "proginosko" comes from two words. "pro" means before. now you tell us what the other word means. "ginosko" means...__________?

Well...God does take care of His own, but that is not the point of this word.

This seems like the very words you said before. You must know this, that foreknowing is not the only word to study on this subject. I hope you have gone beyond this one word. Now, you are right in that the unsaved are not in this passage. But they should not be in this passage. And you said Paul reprobating the dammed. That does not make sense. Paul has not the power to reprobate anyone. And...the reprobate are already dammed. The non-elect are not talked about in this passage for good reason. However, this subject is not held to this one passage, nor is it held to this one word. But before we get to another word, we must understand this word first.

I can agree with this, but you are missing a very good point. One that carries great meaning and will change your life.

indeed.

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Election has nothing to do with justice. It has everything to do with mercy.

I am so glad you bring in this verse. Most of the time I must bring it in myself. Now in Isa this time of the gathering of the nations is talked about. It also tells is in the same passage of Isa why the elect is chosen and why the gathering other then the judgment.

 

LetsObeyChrist

Very cogent OP and welcome to BB! ":thumbs: I particularly like how God's manifest blessing upon the saved hinges upon their decision rather than some choice by God of a few "fair-haired boys" to salvation. After all, the demonstration is that God was fair in condemning angels who rebelled of their own free will!

Thanks for the blessings!

skypair

 

Puleease! If you are not going to read "The Institues" and yet will exposite yourself on Calvin, puleease don't expect anyone else to have familiarity that you don't have! And please don't condemn them for knowing what even you admit you haven't looked into!

skypair

 

I find your tone demeaning. Is you intention to drive someone off the board as soon as they get here in opposition to your dogma? Please address LetsObey as the scholar he/she appears to be.

And Lets is perfectly correct in comparing scripture with scripture and in NOT attempting to subvert us with word studies, (2Tim 2:15 - "...charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.")

"Knowledge beforehand" is the only definition that makes contextual and literal sense here in Rom 8:29.

skypair

 

Actually friend, you should not come out against a man's teaching without reading that man's teaching. You have lost a great deal of credibility. Since you wish to be an opponent of John Calvin's teaching, are you now willing to obtain his writings (they are free on the net) and deal with them? Or are you really trying to deal with something else?

 

Calm down there sonny. lol First, I don't even know what it means to exposite myself on Calvin. Second, I didn't author a post against (or for) John Calvin, but this author DID.

I absolutely expect someone who writes against a person, as this poster has, to at least have read the man's work! So my criticism of the author's critique of John Calvin's teaching is entirely justified.

You need to rethink this little rebuke of me. Surely our sense of justice exceeds the notion we can critique and/or condemn a man's teaching without first hearing him!!!

 

I think he/she has already been driven out of BB. Good job, RB and JArthur. The flames are waiting for your "wood, hay, and stubble."

skypair

 

RB, we are not ignorant of Calvin's beliefs. That is merely your "crutch" -- to make us our to be ignorant and thus not to answer our valid assertions.

skypair

 

If you measure my demeaner with my tone, you will be waiting a while. My sound card is off. I type words only, and you read tones into my words.

By asking the meaning of "know"? If this drives them away, please don't blame me.

Good idea. What is the meaning of "know" as found in the Greek?

In other words you don't have a answer.

That is not what the word means. However, if we were to take your meaning you would have major problems in the end.

 

don't worry Sky.....

He will be back...or another one just like him. Do you see me running from your slams? so why would your scholar run from little oh me? Are you saying he SHOULD run because I asked him what the word "know" means??

You can help if you dare. Here is a tip. Foreknown can be replaced with the word "love" without changing the meaning of the text.

So we can read it... 29For whom he did LOVE, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

How about those apples?

 

Prove it. All I have seen you do is posit strawman after strawman which you have styled and dressed up to be John Calvin or Calvinism. :laugh:

 

Everyone should run from you Jarthur, you big ole' meanie ole' calvinist you! :laugh: :laugh:

 

I bet you don't remember your 1,532 post...

 

that would be me

 

You already have major problems and you can't see them. :BangHead:

skypair

 

Well, I suppose He would love whom He foreknew -- but that would be adding information not called forth by the context. The ONE piece of information that is cannot be omitted from the text is that He "knows beforehand" --- that His omniscience is applicable to the process of salvation.

skypair

 

I'm gonna say that women can be intimidated and Jarthur was bullying LetsObeyGod. Nuff said.

skypair

 

J. Vernon McGee once said that free will was mankind's side of the ledger and predestination was God's side of the ledger and we don't get to see His side of the ledger.

 

There's one commentator to avoid. lol