Calvin vs Charlie

[loDebar]

No. They are sinners and therefore destined to go to Hell. God did not choose to save them. Is this unjust? No. He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy.

1Jo 2:2

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[loDebar]

1. Yes, it does matter. Motive is very important when determining guilt. Always has been.

2. Yes, but Calvin did still notify the Catholics because he wanted the Catholics to kill Servitus for him. Remember, that Calvin liked to keep appearances, so he wanted the Catholics to murder Servitus for him.

3.
Matthew 25:37-40 NLT
[37] "Then these righteous ones will reply, 'Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? [38] Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? [39] When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?' [40] "And the King will say, 'I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!'

4. I listed a book and there are others out there. If you won’t read them, that’s on you, not me.

5. So, I’m glad you agree that Calvin indeed was the one with the power to execute Servitus or stop the execution if he pleased.

6. See 4.

No, you’re not right.

we are condemned already

Jhn 3:18

¶
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Reformed1689]

1. Yes, it does matter. Motive is very important when determining guilt. Always has been.

2. Yes, but Calvin did still notify the Catholics because he wanted the Catholics to kill Servitus for him. Remember, that Calvin liked to keep appearances, so he wanted the Catholics to murder Servitus for him.

3.
Matthew 25:37-40 NLT
[37] "Then these righteous ones will reply, 'Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? [38] Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? [39] When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?' [40] "And the King will say, 'I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!'

4. I listed a book and there are others out there. If you won’t read them, that’s on you, not me.

5. So, I’m glad you agree that Calvin indeed was the one with the power to execute Servitus or stop the execution if he pleased.

6. See 4.

No, you’re not right.

You realize I have also quoted multiple sources that directly contradict what you are saying right?

 

[Reformed1689]

1Jo 2:2

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Right, the sins of both Jews and Gentiles.

 

[loDebar]

You realize I have also quoted multiple sources that directly contradict what you are saying right?

Scripture cannot contradict itself, neither the character of God, where is the mistake?
Act 10:34

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

 

[Reformed1689]

Scripture cannot contradict itself, neither the character of God, where is the mistake?
Act 10:34

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

I was talking about your Calvin accusations.

 

[Iconoclast]

An at any rate, it says He didn't because of their unbelief. They resisted what could have been theirs. No irresistable grace there. And also, if he did miracles, He wanted to. and He wanted to do for them, otherwise He wouldn't have gone. He did nothing out of concert with the Father and Holy Spirit. There is no Father's will, Son's will. All in perfect concert. Father God told Him to go, Mother Holy Spirit gave Him the power to do miracles, so God the Son WANTED to do miracles. They resisted Him. If man is made in God's image, then freewill is a given.
yes i do beleive in feminine third person of the trinity. So does the Ethiopian Church, which is way older than anything in Europe. try reading back past the last 500 years. The Church is 2000 years old, not 500.

You do not understand irresistible grace at all.

 

[loDebar]

I was talking about your Calvin accusations.

I was talking about the how election is not scriptural

 

[Reformed1689]

I was talking about the how election is not scriptural

Have you read the book of Romans? How about the Gospel of John? Election is not a disputable doctrine.

 

[loDebar]

Have you read the book of Romans? How about the Gospel of John? Election is not a disputable doctrine.

You misapply scripture, He was speaking to those already saved who are called to a particular service.
Election (how it is applied for salvation ) is ignorant and a lie of the devil.
It impugns God

 

[Reformed1689]

You misapply scripture, He was speaking to those already saved who are called to a particular service.
Election (how it is applied for salvation ) is ignorant and a lie of the devil.
It impugns God

You don't even know how I have applied the Scripture, I simply asked if you have read Romans and John. Election is not disputable. If you dispute election totally you are a false teacher.

 

[MB]

John Calvin systematized HIS beliefs and had anyone who disagreed with him burned or beheaded. Whom did Paul or Jesus kill? That's all you need to know about John Calvin right there.
Let me ask you: The idea of limited atonement doesn't bother you? maybe your loved ones are not on God's salvation list. How does that make you feel? Maybe you're not even on his list.
Don't you find all of this to just be the rant beliefs of a Renassance torturer?

Paul before Christ was called Saul and murdering Christians for there belief was his priestly duty By the way Paul is responsible for more than half of the new testament being written. Do you think we should believe him?.
I'm not a Calvinist nor am I a reformer but I believe in what Paul wrote do you think I'm going down the wrong path?.

MB

 

[loDebar]

You don't even know how I have applied the Scripture, I simply asked if you have read Romans and John. Election is not disputable. If you dispute election totally you are a false teacher.

election for salvation calls God a liar,
"Behold I stand at the door and knock" proves unconditional election false

 

[Reformed1689]

election for salvation calls God a liar,
"Behold I stand at the door and knock" proves unconditional election false

One verse taken out of context proves nothing.

 

[loDebar]

One verse taken out of context proves nothing.

not out of context ,
you need to study more

2 Peter :The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

ITimothy 2: Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Romans 2:
Tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that works good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

He tells us not to show favoritism James 2 :9

But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

election is pure favoritism,

Has anyone of the non elect believe this doctrine? no ,only the egos of the self reported "elect" that deem themselves to be a favorite of God instead of a sinner needing salvation.

 

[Iconoclast]

You misapply scripture, He was speaking to those already saved who are called to a particular service.
Election (how it is applied for salvation ) is ignorant and a lie of the devil.
It impugns God

If you read with understanding you would not reach these false conclusions .
Election is a great blessing to Believers traveling through this fallen world.

 

[MB]

election for salvation calls God a liar,
"Behold I stand at the door and knock" proves unconditional election false

Who chose who? Did you chose Christ first or did Christ chose your door to knock on first.
MB

 

[Reformed1689]

not out of context ,
you need to study more

2 Peter :The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

ITimothy 2: Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Romans 2:
Tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that works good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

He tells us not to show favoritism James 2 :9

But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

election is pure favoritism,

Has anyone of the non elect believe this doctrine? no ,only the egos of the self reported "elect" that deem themselves to be a favorite of God instead of a sinner needing salvation.

Even more verses taken out of context.

And believing the biblical doctrine of election does not cause os to show favoritism. How do you come to that conclusion?

 

[loDebar]

Who chose who? Did you chose Christ first or did Christ chose your door to knock on first.
MB

Grace is for all, Sin has all been paid ,faith is a gift that one has to exercise.

God chose to saved the condemned and set about redemption through the humanity shared with Christ.
He provide the means and method , we have to believe He is able, willing and capable of saving us

The only reason of creation is redemption

 

[loDebar]

Even more verses taken out of context.

And believing the biblical doctrine of election does not cause os to show favoritism. How do you come to that conclusion?

are you serious,? if God favors one (elect) and not another (non elect )that is favoritism. He said NO