Calvin vs Charlie

[loDebar]

Lost sinner is the natural state.

Did God create the non elect just to send them to hell?

you did not answer completely, ignoring the question entirely. Yes we all are sinners. Did God choose NOT to offer salvation to some?

2Pe 3:9

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, notwilling that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[loDebar]

Faith comes by hearing the gospel and believing. We all have faith but not all have faith in God.

God chose to save the whole world. It's man that rejects Christ and isn't saved because of his rebellion

Not sure I understand you hear. I believe the reason for creation is simply LOVE.
MB

love to be with us, through creation as the method

Heb 2:14

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

 

[MB]

Grace is for all, Sin has all been paid ,faith is a gift that one has to exercise.

God chose to saved the condemned and set about redemption through the humanity shared with Christ.
He provide the means and method , we have to believe He is able, willing and capable of saving us

The only reason of creation is redemption

To believe in Christ means to believe in His first coming, His death on the cross, and His resurrection. This is the gospel.
MB

 

[MB]

Even more verses taken out of context.

And believing the biblical doctrine of election does not cause os to show favoritism. How do you come to that conclusion?

Can you show me just one verse which calls a Gentile elect? Jews are elect Gentiles have been chosen.
I know those two words mean the same thing yet not one Gentile was ever refereed to as elect,
MB

 

[Ran the Man]

Many people were banished, and hence, left alive. Most who disagreed with Calvin were banished and not killed. Your example is invalid. I do not want to mischaracterize John Calvin. He was no more murderous than Henry VIII, Bloody Mary, or Queen Elizabeth. (In fact, he was likely less murderous than those three - even when taking into account differences in population and time "in power") Comparing him to Charlie is a very poor and overly inflammatory example. The environment created actually prevents an actual situation where people can properly discuss the matter without the flaring of emotions.

Calvin's "rule" was as complicated as his Institutes. It is a subject that has to be read to fully understand because he didn't rule like other kings would. He was more of a puppet master. If you don't thoroughly read this complicated case, you will come out with one of two opinions.

1. John Calvin is Charlie.
2. John Calvin is completely innocent.

Neither is true and a more thorough study will show that the true John Calvin is somewhere in between. He definitely did not try to imitate Christ.

Paul said" be ye imitators of me as I am of Christ." Shame on Calvin for not trying.

 

[loDebar]

Can you show me just one verse which calls a Gentile elect? Jews are elect Gentiles have been chosen.
I know those two words mean the same thing yet not one Gentile was ever refereed to as elect,
MB

The saved are chosen to service. not salvation

How about Timothy? half Jew?

 

[Reformed1689]

Can you show me just one verse which calls a Gentile elect? Jews are elect Gentiles have been chosen.
I know those two words mean the same thing yet not one Gentile was ever refereed to as elect,
MB

Titus 1:1

 

[SovereignGrace]

It wasn’t Calvin’s fault. God has already chosen him to burn in Hell from the beginning of time. He couldn’t choose to follow and behave like Jesus unless God had chosen him and made him behave that way. I feel sorry for the poor reprobates who have no choice in life but be a slave to sin.

All that studying of the Bible was worthless since God hadn’t elected him.

At least he’s burning in Hell for God’s glory . . .

Dude, straighten up...

 

[SovereignGrace]

Can you show me just one verse which calls a Gentile elect? Jews are elect Gentiles have been chosen.
I know those two words mean the same thing yet not one Gentile was ever refereed to as elect,
MB

Election deals with God choosing ppl. Even corporate election has God choosing ppl. If no Gentile is elect and many go to be with Him, many are there who He never chose.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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