Costco. I think the pizza cleansed my soul.
And if you are allowed in the inner circle......Trader Joe's were we partake of the Toffee Pudding of God almighty which healeth all pain.
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CALVINISM’S GREATEST FALLACY
- Thread starter Revmitchell
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Costco. I think the pizza cleansed my soul.
And if you are allowed in the inner circle......Trader Joe's were we partake of the Toffee Pudding of God almighty which healeth all pain.
No you don't. You believe in free will.
You'll say, God's will is that men are free to do evil.
But, what do you say to victims of that evil? To the man in the alley where a robber's will prevailed over his? Or to the mother where the will of the murderer of her child prevailed over hers?
Did God's will prevail in those situations or not?
LOL, we do know He sent prophets to some, and to many He did not. But it's about what God does, and the effects He knows it will have on the hearts of the people.
Mat 11:21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
There we have it. IF the works were done in those wicked cities, they would have repented. That's what Christ said anyway. So, was it God's pleasure NOT to do the works in those cities and reap a bountiful harvest?
Lol. I'm not surprised. Let me point it out. You said, and I quote:
We can all agree that God has the power to stop sin, just as He had the power to prevent it from ever entering into our world, so let’s just dismiss that as an option. We are not debating about what God COULD do, we are debating about what God is PLEASED to do. This is not about God’s abilities, its about His character.
It's what you said. See above. I'll rephrase it. So it DIDN'T please Him to prevent the Fall.
You do know I did not write the op right?
No, that wasn't clear. So that's your out?
I dont need an out, but it is an important factor. Did you not read the op in its entirety by going to the link?
How about answering the questions then.
The two are not opposed to each other.
God's will always prevails but that does not also mean he predetermined evil.
Are you assuming that because God did not do these specific works mentioned in this passage that means he never attempted to offer them grace? That passage does not say that.
Scripture doesn't answer that question.
Jesus Commands that we repent, not GOD to repent.
If God wanted to forcibly stop all sin right now he could as easily as you can press the delete button.
The reason he doesn't is it would be an act of evil based on fear.
You preach God doesn't put gas in the car and then blames the car for not running. Absolute absurdity.
Is God powerful enough to give men free will and still be sovereign?
God is unable to grant libertine free will to sinners.
The Archangel
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Actually, Yeshua1 is correct. In the Greek, "born" is passive, meaning it is not something you can do to or for yourself. Also the word "again" can be translated as "from above." So, the passage is actually saying what Yeshua1 is suggesting. It is not adding to scripture at all.
The Archangel
Did not God expect fruit from a tree out of season?
It would be no sin for God to “forcibly stop all sin.”
And, if He chose to do so it would not “be an act of evil based on fear.”
This ties into Jesus telling us that the Holy Spirit blows as He wills.
He did not say that.
You're wrong on both parts.
The day is coming when all sin is forcibly stopped. And the reason it isn't yet is because all His elect are not yet saved.
You should read the Scriptures. Now go away and let Mommy and Daddy talk. Okay?
God is our exemplar. Anyone can forcibly stop all sin......just blow the world up. All sinning stops.
But its not done that is an act of evil. That why God is not doing it that way.
Nonsense. God alone is the full security of being saved. Nothing is impossible with God.
Your sin is you think God is an idiot.
God never gave anyone free will.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit.
A corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit.
A tree cannot be corrupt and good at the same time.
That's the Gospel truth according to Jesus. Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
If we judge Mitch's premise according to Jesus, those who by their own free will choose to repent, do so because they are good.
Those who resist do so because they are evil.
This is the conclusion at which one must arrive, if we accept Christ's words about the nature of men, to whom He was referring metaphorically by trees.
Lol. Well, I do you think you are.
Some things are still impossible for God to do though, as that would violate His nature and attributes, such as Him committing any sins.