Calvinism and Context ?

[AustinC]

Grace is a ubiquitous reality, not a selective force. (Tit. 2:11-13)

Grace is just fine on it’s own as it’s found in scripture. Any modifier other than “free,” such as “sovereign,” “irresistible,” or “prevenient” indicate someone is either confused or attempting to confuse. (Rom. 3:24; 5:15; Jn. 1:16; Tit. 2:11-13)

You teach works. Grace is not in your teaching. It doesn't exist in your world, which is why you do not teach the gospel.

 

[AustinC]

Faith comes by hearing the word of God . Your theology has messed with your thinking. The Gospel IS the power Of God ( The dynamite if you will ) to salvation .
16¶For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

That is not what the Bible says.
Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Can a dead person hear?

You do not teach the gospel. You teach legalism and works salvation by virtue of human will causing belief to be activated.

 

[Barry Johnson]

By your statement we can see that Jesus death was unnecessary in your theology and therefore wasted on humanity.
I am not confused. I am in direct conflict with your non-gospel teaching.

The death ...the burial ...AND the resurrection. 1 cor .15 .1-4. Calvinism has no need for the death , burial or resurrection. Just ' election. ' The rest is just a formality .

 

[Barry Johnson]

That is not what the Bible says.
Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Can a dead person hear?

You do not teach the gospel. You teach legalism and works salvation by virtue of human will causing belief to be activated.

I cannot get the president on the phone by ringing him , but I can answer the phone if he calls me . Thats the power of the Gospel .

 

[Barry Johnson]

That is not what the Bible says.
Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Can a dead person hear?

You do not teach the gospel. You teach legalism and works salvation by virtue of human will causing belief to be activated.

We are not dead yet ,otherwise this conversation would not be possible. Calvinism is no different to Arminism on ' Lordship salvation ' ,so by that definition Calvinism is absolutely legalistic in its worldview.

 

[Barry Johnson]

That is not what the Bible says.
Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Can a dead person hear?

You do not teach the gospel. You teach legalism and works salvation by virtue of human will causing belief to be activated.

3For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14¶how then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18¶But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

 

[Iconoclast]

The death ...the burial ...AND the resurrection. 1 cor .15 .1-4. Calvinism has no need for the death , burial or resurrection. Just ' election. ' The rest is just a formality .

It is obvious you are not to be taken as a serious Inquirer into biblical truth.
For whatever reason you attack caricatures and avoid Biblical truth.
Nothing but opinions on things beyond your understanding.
If that is all you can do knock yourself out.

 

[utilyan]

3For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14¶how then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18¶But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

3For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Let me put my Calvinist Glasses on:

3For whosoever is saved shall call upon the name of the Lord.

 

[AustinC]

The death ...the burial ...AND the resurrection. 1 cor .15 .1-4. Calvinism has no need for the death , burial or resurrection. Just ' election. ' The rest is just a formality .

Wrong, try again.

 

[AustinC]

I cannot get the president on the phone by ringing him , but I can answer the phone if he calls me . Thats the power of the Gospel .

So, you cannot believe unless God causes you to believe. Good.

 

[AustinC]

We are not dead yet ,otherwise this conversation would not be possible. Calvinism is no different to Arminism on ' Lordship salvation ' ,so by that definition Calvinism is absolutely legalistic in its worldview.

We were dead in our trespasses and sins. Natural man cannot hear the Spirit of God until God calls their name, just as Lazerus could not hear Jesus until Jesus called his name.

 

[AustinC]

3For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14¶how then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18¶But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

You make my point with this passage, yet you cannot comprehend how it makes my point.

 

[Barry Johnson]

We were dead in our trespasses and sins. Natural man cannot hear the Spirit of God until God calls their name, just as Lazerus could not hear Jesus until Jesus called his name.

lazarus is a bad example of how we are saved . We are not physically dead . Terrible, terrible example.

 

[Barry Johnson]

You make my point with this passage, yet you cannot comprehend how it makes my point.

Because I'm not locked into a paradigm. God does not tell people to do something they are unable to do . " believe ' , respond to His revelation is what is commanded. We would be terrible parents if we told our children to do something they were unable to and then punish them .

 

[Barry Johnson]

So, you cannot believe unless God causes you to believe. Good.

Because of your system we are not on the same page here . ' Causes ' for you = The I and you believe I has to be true , not because of the scriptures but because of the ' logical ' necessity of the TULIP . I know you think its scriptural. But there is no way you see scriptures in any other light once you started to be drawn into calvinism . TULIP is the fundemental false starting point you view every verse .

 

[utilyan]

Because I'm not locked into a paradigm. God does not tell people to do something they are unable to do . " believe ' , respond to His revelation is what is commanded. We would be terrible parents if we told our children to do something they were unable to and then punish them .

Its like this. Whenever I sin its because I wanted to sin. Whenever a Calvinist sins its because GOD wanted him to sin.

 

[Craig Hooker]

3For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Let me put my Calvinist Glasses on:

3For whosoever is saved shall call upon the name of the Lord.

I would take those glasses back. Who are the "whosoever"?

 

[AustinC]

lazarus is a bad example of how we are saved . We are not physically dead . Terrible, terrible example.

Very good example. We are spiritually dead. We are not made alive until God calls us forth. This is very evident in Ephesians 2:1-9.

 

[AustinC]

Because I'm not locked into a paradigm. God does not tell people to do something they are unable to do . " believe ' , respond to His revelation is what is commanded. We would be terrible parents if we told our children to do something they were unable to and then punish them .

God often gives us things that we cannot handle and must give entirely to him.
The message of believe will only be received by those whom the Father has given to the Son. The rest will scoff and consider it foolishness.

 

[AustinC]

Because of your system we are not on the same page here . ' Causes ' for you = The I and you believe I has to be true , not because of the scriptures but because of the ' logical ' necessity of the TULIP . I know you think its scriptural. But there is no way you see scriptures in any other light once you started to be drawn into calvinism . TULIP is the fundemental false starting point you view every verse .

Because of scripture and what I observe in scripture, we are not on the same page. I am a monergist who sees God as Supreme. You are a synergist who sees God as a cooperative agent with you in your salvation.