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Calvinism Fact Sheet #2, by Joel Barnes: Unconditional Election

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Yeshua1

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Nope. God never said that. If he ever did you'd quote it.

Being humble and remorseful the wretch that I am I can't lord over any judgement on other people.

The sloppy sayings are based twisting a persons humility into a false humility.l

My humility is between me and God, I have no grounds to impose MY judgement.

Maybe between me and God I deserve WORST than Hell, who are you to LIGHTEN my sentence?
has ANY save Jesus be Holy, as God is? As need moral perfection to get to heaven and bypass hell!
 

1689Dave

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I don't accept this premise. It is wicked, IMHO. Why? Because the Bible lists among the Divine attributes, Love and Mercy. Because of that, God obligates Himself to find a way to save man while still satisfying His Righteousness and Justice. If God had done nothing, he would not have Love and Mercy and therefore not be God.

So the idea that God would be within His rights to jettison His love and mercy is a wicked thought, in my opinion.
My how some hate God if Calvin was right...........
 

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Isaiah 53:6
That doesn't say what you claim. Astray means one is straying from somewhere that is not astray. In order to go astray, you have to have been on the right path to begin with.

Clearly this has nothing to do with what has been claimed by you.
 

Yeshua1

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That doesn't say what you claim. Astray means one is straying from somewhere that is not astray. In order to go astray, you have to have been on the right path to begin with.

Clearly this has nothing to do with what has been claimed by you.
They wandered away from God their Shepard!
 

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How did you interpret the Isaiah passage to mean, "Per the Bible, NONE seeking after God themselves!"? They were already with Him but then they want astray. I don't see one arrives at the "none seek" interpretation from that.
 

Iconoclast

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How did you interpret the Isaiah passage to mean, "Per the Bible, NONE seeking after God themselves!"? They were already with Him but then they want astray. I don't see one arrives at the "none seek" interpretation from that.
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
 

Iconoclast

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...to all who seek for it of their own free will. God denies no one who is searching for Him.
There is no free will....those who seek are being effectually drawn by the Father;
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
 
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