Calvinism is Internally Inconsistent

[Reformed1689]

There are no passages that say that God chose the elect out of fallen man or God chose the elect and reprobate before the Fall. This is all philosophy.

Right because Romans doesn't teach this, Ephesians doesn't teach this, John doesn't teach this...oh brother.

 

[Reformed1689]

Theology is Christ-centered. Calvinism is not (it is a philosophy that seeks to know God via the mind of the Father, not Christ). There are no passages to offer.

Theology means the study of God. It is God centered. Not Father or Christ centered, God centered.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Theology means the study of God. It is God centered. Not Father or Christ centered, God centered.

I guess Trinity centered would be better?

 

[Reformed1689]

I guess Trinity centered would be better?

Nope that doesn't work, "Trinity is not found in the Bible" LOL

 

[Van]

Ah, see you think you published Calvinist doctrine. But really, you posted Van's caricature of Calvinist doctrine which isn't Calvinist doctrine at all. Some would call it strawman.

More of the same "change the subject based on false charges" behavior of nearly every Calvinist.

1) I post published Calvinist doctrine, not the frequent disavowals of the doctrine posted by deceit.
2) When the topic is "A" posting scripture whose topic is "B" the scripture is non-germane.
3) Ever notice how often Calvinists post "that is not what Calvinism claims" but do not offer the correct view?

Folks ever wonder how people could respond if Jesus had not hidden his message in parables. Read Matthew 13 Total Spiritual Inability is fiction.

Folks ever wonder why Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, if Christ died only for the elect.

Folks, ever wonder why God chooses individuals for salvation through faith in the truth, if they were unable to trust in Christ?

 

[Van]

Ah, see you think you published Calvinist doctrine. But really, you posted Van's caricature of Calvinist doctrine which isn't Calvinist doctrine at all. Some would call it strawman.

Denial piled on denial, but ordained means predestined, which means Calvinism claims God predestined our every sin but is not the cause of our every sin. I kid you not.

 

[Reformed1689]

More of the same "change the subject based on false charges" behavior of nearly every Calvinist.

1) I post published Calvinist doctrine, not the frequent disavowals of the doctrine posted by deceit.
2) When the topic is "A" posting scripture whose topic is "B" the scripture is non-germane.
3) Ever notice how often Calvinists post "that is not what Calvinism claims" but do not offer the correct view?

Folks ever wonder how people could respond if Jesus had not hidden his message in parables. Read Matthew 13 Total Spiritual Inability is fiction.

Folks ever wonder why Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, if Christ died only for the elect.

Folks, ever wonder why God chooses individuals for salvation through faith in the truth, if they were unable to trust in Christ?

Oh brother Van. You did not post Calvinism, you posted VanCalvinism. We have corrected you literally HUNDREDS of times.

 

[Van]

Oh brother Van. You did not post Calvinism, you posted VanCalvinism. We have corrected you literally HUNDREDS of times.

One idiotic denial after another, did this person not claim ordain does not mean predestine?

Why these rule violators are allowed to post endless falsehoods is beyond me...

 

[Reformed1689]

Denial piled on denial, but ordained means predestined, which means Calvinism claims God predestined our every sin but is not the cause of our every sin. I kid you not.

Again, you don't know Calvinism. What Is the Relationship Between Divine Sovereignty and Human Responsibility? (ligonier.org)

 

[Reformed1689]

Why these rule violators are allowed to post endless falsehoods is beyond me...

And what rule was violated? Are you sane?

 

[Guido]

What then do Calvinists teach? Please explain in brief each of the five points of Calvinism?

 

[AustinC]

Denial piled on denial, but ordained means predestined, which means Calvinism claims God predestined our every sin but is not the cause of our every sin. I kid you not.

Did God Ordain the Fall? by Paul Washer

 

[JonC]

Well, by your reasoning here, any organizing of thought from scripture cannot be understood from scripture. None of the views could therefore be anything but philosophy with no scripture. I guess this explains Jonnyianism as well.

No. You are sking us to tell you the difference between "high Calvinism" and "low Calvinism" using Scripture.

It is a foolish request.

 

[JonC]

I guess Trinity centered would be better?

"Father centered" would be better. Calvinism is centered on seeking to understand redemption through the decrees and sovereignty of the Father.

 

[AustinC]

What then do Calvinists teach? Please explain in brief each of the five points of Calvinism?

Nothing brief, but here is an article you should read.
What We Believe About the Five Points of Calvinism

 

[AustinC]

No. You are sking us to tell you the difference between "high Calvinism" and "low Calvinism" using Scripture.

It is a foolish request.

Thus you show the foolishness of your own definitions. Your incapacity to define the difference from scripture shows that the concept is made up by people such as yourself.

 

[JonC]

Thus you show the foolishness of your own definitions. Your incapacity to define the difference from scripture shows that the concept is made up by people such as yourself.

Ok....OK.... test your hypothesis.

Tell me the difference between Reformation Arminianism (Classic Arminianism) and Wesleyan Arminianism using Scripture.

That you do not understand the differences between "high Calvinism" and "general Calvinism" just proves you do not understand Calvinism.

Before you adopt a philosophy you really should understand it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Exactly people like @Van @SavedByGrace @Guido and @Eternally Grateful and @Silverhair have no idea what Calvinism actually is.

Yeah actually we do.

You have not done anything to change ur view. In fact. All you have done is support what I have always known..

It’s also funny how I was brought into a thread I had no desire to be a part of.. smh

 

[AustinC]

Ok....OK.... test your hypothesis.

Tell me the difference between Reformation Arminianism (Classic Arminianism) and Wesleyan Arminianism using Scripture.

That you do not understand the differences between "high Calvinism" and "general Calvinism" just proves you do not understand Calvinism.

Before you adopt a philosophy you really should understand it.

LOL, you prove my point with your response. This is great, however, you forgot to add Jonnyism to that list.

 

[Reformed1689]

Yeah actually we do.

You have not done anything to change ur view. In fact. All you have done is support what I have always known..

It’s also funny how I was brought into a thread I had no desire to be a part of.. smh

No you don't as you have shown time and time again. You are against a caricature of Calvinism.