So why were you able to believe while others did not?
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Calvinism Made Me Doubt My Salvation
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Silverhair
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Actually from what you have written I am not sure you even know what you believe.
Since you have rejected free will that only leaves determinism. So you actually do not have the ability to make real arguments as that requires the ability to evaluate evidence for or against various positions.
And back to the same answer that you do not grasp. FREE WILL. God has given man the ability to make real choices.
Where do you come up with these odd ball questions?
It is obvious that you do not understand the Grace of God.
Silverhair
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You have shown by your comments that you do not want to have a real discussion. You ignore the truth of scripture and twist what I have posted.
But you are not the first childish calvinist I have seen on this or other boards.
Your questions have been answered but you just do not like the answers.
Nice dodge. Again. I can only ascertain from your answers that your free will is superior to the free will of those who do not accept the Gospel. You gave chosen Christ all on your own. How superior you are.
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Nope. You just can not defend what you wrote.
Name calling. You have lost the argument.
No. You have not answered the question because you know the actual true answer does not support what you claim.
Silverhair
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Not a dodge just what I see from your comments.
Not a matter of being superior as free will is just that free will. Each person has to exercise their own free will just as you have every time you respond, well that is unless you think all your responses were determined beforehand by God.
Which does seem to be the position that you hold.
Ben1445
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Matthew 13:15
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Nice dodge. Again. I can only ascertain from your answers that your free will is superior to the free will of those who do not acept the Gopsel. You gave chosen Christ all on your own. How superior you are.
White flag accepted.
Silverhair
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The bible defends what I wrote.
You are coming across as childish by your repeated asking the same question because you do not like the answer given.
You asked why someone would choose God a while others reject Him. There are only two options, free will and determinism. Since you have rejected free will than you must hold to divine determinism.
I have answered the question you just do not like the answer.
Why using only your free will were you able to choose Christ while others did not? What allowed you to believe the Gospel while others did not?
Then defend it.
Name calling again.
Again. I can only ascertain from your answers that your free will is superior to the free will of those who do not acept the Gopsel. You gave chosen Christ all on your own. How superior you are.
White flag accepted.
White flag accepted.
Ben1445
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Why are you able to do anything?
Why do you keep asking the same question? Stop playing dumb and answer your own question. You want to or you would not keep asking it.
Silverhair
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If you want to wave the white flag that is your choice. Your continued rejection of biblical free will is either done via your free will or by divine determinism. Which is it @Mikoo ?
Before you answer you should think through the logical outcome of your response.
Ben1445
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Your question is faulty because it assumes that what allowed me to didn’t allow somebody else to. so the way you frame the question is incorrect.
Ben1445
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Because I have a free will
Silverhair
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When Isaiah says:
"If you consent and obey,
{then} You will eat the best of the land;
"But if you refuse and rebel,
{then} You will be devoured by the sword." Isa_1:19 NSAB
Isaiah clearly assumes, first, that his hearers are able to obey and also able to persist in rebellion; he assumes, second, that they are going to choose between these alternatives: he therefore believes in free will, though he does not say so in as many words.
To understand free will it is essential to bear in mind that it involves not only multiple possibility but also “self-determination”. Free will, involves choices between known alternatives.
The only reason for someone to believe that man does not have a free will with which to evaluate the evidence for God is because they in fact do have a free will. The only other option is that their view was determined for them so they have no rational way to state an opinion as that requires the ability to evaluate information and make a choice.
Silverhair
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Brightfame52
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Never seen a scripture that says Christ Death didn't save anyone. That's not the faith of God's Elect.
Brightfame52
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Do you now deny the resurrection of Christ causes one to be born again according to 1 Pet 1:3 ?
Silverhair
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And you ignore the one that says we are saved by His life.
You have a strange view on salvation BF.