Calvinism makes God Insincere of His Word

Pastor Larry said: He simply leaves them to do what they desire to do.

Pastor Larry, isn't that then Freewill?

 

The CALVINISTS blame sin on God! Either He created them to receive salvation or damnation!

Those of us who believe in free will realize and accept guilt for our freely chosen sinful ways!

Icthus... it's a 'mystery!'

 

A False Statement. Calvinists do not blame sin on God.

Calvinism teaches that man can freely do all the things HE or SHE wishes to do BUT because of humanity's bondage to SIN, HE or SHE cannot freely come to Christ and do what God commands, Nor does a lost person desire such a relationship with Christ because as Luther pointed out, our will is in bondage to Sin. This reguires a Divine intervention of God to bring a person to Christ (Eph. 2:1-9).

All humans are responsible for their own sin and rejection of Christ. We are a race of rebels that deserve eternal damnation and God could have rightly and justly condemned the entire human race. Thanks Be to God however for His grace that He bestows on us rebels He saves!

 

Kiffen,
Does Calvinism teach that man is still under the penalty of sin?

How about any segment of mankind?

 

Hi Tcassidy;

If you're a Calvinist and you believe man cannot come to God or respond to the gospel, because of total depravity. Then you are blaming God. If you limit the Atonement to only a few then you are blaming God. The reason is by Calvinism's doctrine you have limited election to just a few and the ability of man to just a few. The ones going to hell couldn't choose anything else, because they were born in sin and and refused election and ability by God. It is not there fault, if Calvinism is right it is God's fault. You claim It is He who chooses according to His Will and His will is only a few.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us all;
Mike

 

Completely untrue. You have been told several times that Calvinists don't believe that, but you keep saying it anyway. God did not predestine anyone for damnation! All are sinners and condemned already."

How many more times do we have to say it before you will stop telling such a vicious untruth? </font>[/QUOTE]Are those who are sinners Condemned for their sins?

 

Of course, Diane .. As I have often said, Calvinists believe in free will. They believe that man can do whatever he desires to do. And if you note all of Scripture, you see that the desires of man's heart are evil and wicked. He is not seeking God. His mind and understanding is darkened. And he lives that way ... His free will is limited only by his nature, just as God's is. Man cannot do anything inconsistent with his nature, which is why he doesn't "will" to come to God. It is not in his nature until God gives him a new nature. Then he freely wills to come to God.

 

NO they don't. That is simply untrue.

Yes indeed. All CAlvinists agree with you on this. This, as I have said many times, is not our difference.

 

Wow ... how strange ... what you said is exactly what I said ... The man is free to do whatever he wants ... As long as he is under the dominion of sin, he doesn't want to seek God. His "inability" is moral inability, because of his sin. How hard is that to understand? Are we speaking the same language here???

What is there to explain about John 5:39-40? They were unwilling to come to Christ so that they might have life. Remember, it is all about the will. They weren't willing. Why? Because they were in bondage to sin. They were free to do what they wanted. They didn't want to come.

 

So when God commanded OT Israel to keep the Law in order to live, that command didn't mean anything since they couldn't do it? That is silly ... The seroiusness of the command is not based on who can do it.

 

Did you read what I said? And what Packer said? Man is free to do whatever he wants to do. That is the same kind of freedom God has. God cannot do anything at all. His freedom is limited by his nature. Yet we don't say that God is in bondage. IN the same way, man's freedom is limited by man's nature. He does exactly what he wants to do. Packer said the same thing ... that man is not free to obedience and faith. That doesn't mean he isn't free. That means it is not in his nature.

You need to understand what freedom is. It is the ability to act in accordance with one's nature.