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Calvinism needs to add words to scripture
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The Marprelate Controversy was a war of inflammatory pamphlets waged in England and Wales in 1588 and 1589, between a puritanwriter who employed the pseudonym Martin Marprelate, and defenders of the Church of England which remained an established church.
Martin's tracts are characterised by mockery of Anglican dignitaries and satire against the corruptions of the Church of England. The style is 'a heady mixture of nonsense, satire, protest, irony and gossip', combined with pungent wit, 'full of the language of the street'.
In the late 1580s, a controversial series of anonymous satirical tracts published under the pseudonym Martin Marprelate, boldly attacked the Church of England’s hierarchy with biting wit and fearless dissent. These underground publications, which defied censorship and ignited fierce public debate, left both the government and church authorities scrambling to identify and silence the culprits.
Alan Dale Gross
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You probably feel like you addressed this thoroughly enough, but I'm still stuck back wondering where you are talking about Jesus saying, "all things shall come to me", or something like that(?)
Alan Dale Gross
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The Parables of The 10 Talents and The Pounds bring as Heavy-Duty a Divine Censor down on the disobedient servants, AS I HAVE EVER BEEN ABLE TO DO.
What do I do on the Board here, say "Hi, brother so and so, you are A Lazy and Unfaithful Servant, BOTH!"
In the Parable of The Talents, the Lazy Servant is rejected, illustrating that stewardship has Eternal Consequences
AND in The Pounds, The Unfaithful Servant is the one who hides his pound out of fear is condemned as "wicked," and his pound is taken away.
They don't even fancy themselves to be "a Servant" of any kind, to anybody, to start with.
If they did, they might be able to realize how Hard God is Coming Down on them in Fierce Rebuke!
Do Hypercalvanists even know whether they are Saved or not, ever? Where is any 'Salvation' in that?
That's the worst, most self-condemning, blind self-sabotage, consent of defeat on the part of everyone that there could be.
"These things write I unto you that you may know that you have Eternal Life" I John 5:13.
Saved souls should have had a Real Personal Salvation Experience in the Forgiveness of their sins, by the Blood of Jesus.
...
The Parable of the Talents AI Overview; (Matthew 25:14-30) teaches that believers are entrusted with God’s resources (time, abilities, Gospel) and must actively use them to build His kingdom while awaiting His return. It emphasizes stewardship, encouraging proactive risk-taking in faith rather than hoarding or acting out of fear. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Key Interpretations of the Parable:
- Faithful Stewardship: The master (Jesus) rewards servants who invest their talents (money/gifts) and produce a return, punishing the servant who buries his out of fear.
- Active Service Over Fear: The parable warns against slothfulness and "playing it safe." It suggests that failing to use God-given gifts is a serious failure.
- Divine Empowerment: The talents are given according to ability (5, 2, 1), suggesting God provides the necessary tools for what He calls people to do.
- Judgment and Reward: The productive servants are rewarded with more responsibility and "joy," whereas the lazy servant is rejected, illustrating that stewardship has eternal consequences. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]
The Parable of the Pounds AI Overview; (Luke 19:11-27) is a story about a nobleman who entrusts his servants with equal amounts of money ("pounds" or minas) to manage while he is away to receive a kingdom. It teaches that followers of Christ are expected to work diligently, risk, and use their gifts to build God's kingdom until his return, rather than living in fear or doing nothing. [1, 2, 3]
Key Aspects and Meaning
- The Context: Jesus told this story while approaching Jerusalem, intending to correct the belief that the Kingdom of God would appear immediately.
- The Meaning of the "Pound": Unlike the Parable of the Talents (where talents differ), each servant in this parable receives an identical pound (or mina). This signifies that all believers have been given the same opportunity—the Gospel—to work with and manage.
- The Command: "Occupy till I come" (Luke 19:13) indicates that servants are to actively invest their time and resources in God's service during the leader's absence.
- Judgment and Reward:The servants are judged based on their diligence and productivity upon the master's return.
- Faithful Servants: Those who increased their pounds are rewarded with authority over cities.
- The Unfaithful Servant: The servant who hides his pound out of fear is condemned as "wicked," and his pound is taken away.
- The Nobleman's Return: The master's return represents the second coming of Christ, where he will judge his servants and reign as king. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
The difference is between the love or hatred of the Gospel.
Missionary Baptists claim they love the Gospel by Preaching it to "every creature", as Jesus Commanded, and trusting that the Holy Spirit Will Use that Preaching Message of Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, and that it is the Power of God unto Salvation that the Holy Spirit does Use, to Give a lost soul the Spiritually Enabled Ability to Repent and Believe, in the New Birth and that their New Birth is a Historical Fact that they have Experienced at a specified time in their life.
Privative, or Hardshell-Hypercalvanists might claim they love the Gospel and share it liberally, but not as being a part or any portion of God's Methodology in His Eternal Plan of Salvation and that some souls are just Eternally lost for all of Eternity and that Eternally Saved souls have been Eternally Saved always, since the beginning when they were ever thought of in the Mind of God. All that precludes there from being any purpose for anyone to Preach the Gospel to the lost and, therefore, the individual Primitive Hardshell Baptists do not expect to have a Personal Salvation Experience, and then don't, where they can ever really know if they are lost, or if by Hopey-ism = "they happen to be one of The Elect". That is all simply 'Hatred of the Gospel' and there is no way around that.
Hypercalvanism equates Election with Salvation, as if any person who was Elected automatically has always been saved, while at the same time, denying that an individual can know whether they are one of the lost or one of the saved.
They just act as nice as possible to try and convince themselves and others that their religion has got them a Home in Heaven.
But not if they haven't experienced turning from their sin-cursed guilt in Repentance toward God and having Faith in Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, and believing Jesus died for them, buried their sins away, and to Prove God Accepted Jesus' Payment for their sins, believing JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD To
BTAIN ETERNAL LIFE FOR THEIR SINFUL, HOPELESS, VILE, WICKED, BLIND SOUL, when they knew that God Knew that they knew THEIR SOUL NEEDED A SAVIOR!!!
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Alan Dale Gross
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Thank you, for your candid, kind remarks.
\The only part of my format that you may be interested in, is that I try to always place the Scriptures in bold purple, so that if nothing else, you could browse over those and generally see where I leading to and the Scriptures are always a Blessing no matter what.
Then, I put the next important items that are usually the outline in bold red, if you want to follow along more.
The bold black type will bring an emphasis to whatever things may be important to catch onto, on either side.
If there is more God-Honoring content, in any media, that Worships Him in a more Solid Doctrinal stance, I will definitely arrange them in my bookmark system (for my benefit from their ministry, i.e., no matter what else they might believe on other things).
'Hypercalvanism" is defined by their insistence on disobeying the first point in the 'Salvation Process' and that is God's Command the "Preach the Gospel".
Hypercalvanist believe that "Preaching the Gospel" is not the Means, in the Spirit Realm, by which God Conveys His Eternal Plan of Salvation to a lost soul at the Time of their Salvation.
However, it is at that Time, at the Preaching of the Gospel, God Grants the lost sinner "Repentance and Faith", with "FAITH" being the MEANS that works with the MEANS OF GOD'S COMMANDING THAT THE GOSPEL BE PREACHED, by which their New Divine Nature THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT GAVE ETERNAL LIFE is Enabled SPIRITUALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME, to Communicate and Connect with GOD, WHO IS SPIRIT.
God Gives them A NEW BORN AGAIN SPIRIT WITH THE ABILITY TO SPIRITUALLY EXERCISE God's Gift of Faith (in response to the Preaching of the Gospel).
1. God Commands: "PREACH THE GOSPEL!"
2. The Holy Spirit is Under His Agreement to Carry Out His Office of Bringing souls to Jesus,
2a. and The Holy Spirit Orchestrates the Circumstances in Providence to have the Gospel Preached, in some form,
at the same place 2b. to an "Invited Guest" present, whose lost heart He had been Convicted under that Preaching...
Since "The Gospel" includes the fact it was our sins that put Jesus to death on the cross and so,
2c. the lost sinner may be Brought under Conviction that their Personal Sins could have been the Cause of Jesus' death.
3. The Lord Grants Repentance , as in 2 Timonthy 2:25
"In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;
if God Peradventure will Give them Repentance to the acknowledging of the Truth;
and in Acts 11:18; The Lord Grants Repentance during Salvation;
"When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God,
saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles Granted Repentance unto Life."
This is the experience of the first half of Two Twin Doctrines in the Scriptures concerning Salvation, "Repentance and Faith".
Just when "Faith", the second half of those two twin Doctrines, is experienced in the "Invited Guest's" soul,
THE NEW BIRTH FROM ABOVE HAS TAKEN PLACE.
That is the Personal Salvation Experience.
The Saved soul had Agreed with God that their personal sins Offended Him, Eternally, and with the Just Punishment for those Eternal sins would be for them to have to suffer in the Lake of Fire, Forever, after God Granted them Repentance.
Then, Working Below the Level of Consciousness, the Holy Spirit Quickens that soul's mind to Eternal Life,
which then Enables the Newly Born Again soul's Quickened mind TO BE ABLE TO THINK WITHIN GOD'S SPIRITUAL REALITY,
AND TO PLACE THEIR TRUST AND FAITH IN THE FINISHED WORK OF JESUS
WHO ACCOMPLISHED SALVATION FOR THE SOULS OF MEN WHO HAD SINNED AND HAD SINS JUST LIKE THEM.
At the same time, essentially, A Preacher Preaches the Gospel,
there is a sinner Present who the Holy Spirit Purposed to be there,
and that sinner is Brought under the Conviction of their sins,
AND then the Holy Spirit Grants them Repentance Toward God and Faith in Jesus Christ at their New Birth.
This is how to get anything AT ALL out of what I post, if you like.
\The only part of my format that you may be interested in, is that I try to always place the Scriptures in bold purple, so that if nothing else, you could browse over those and generally see where I leading to and the Scriptures are always a Blessing no matter what.
Then, I put the next important items that are usually the outline in bold red, if you want to follow along more.
The bold black type will bring an emphasis to whatever things may be important to catch onto, on either side.
If there is more God-Honoring content, in any media, that Worships Him in a more Solid Doctrinal stance, I will definitely arrange them in my bookmark system (for my benefit from their ministry, i.e., no matter what else they might believe on other things).
No. That one's way off farther than you might ever be able to realize.
'Hypercalvanism" is defined by their insistence on disobeying the first point in the 'Salvation Process' and that is God's Command the "Preach the Gospel".
Hypercalvanist believe that "Preaching the Gospel" is not the Means, in the Spirit Realm, by which God Conveys His Eternal Plan of Salvation to a lost soul at the Time of their Salvation.
However, it is at that Time, at the Preaching of the Gospel, God Grants the lost sinner "Repentance and Faith", with "FAITH" being the MEANS that works with the MEANS OF GOD'S COMMANDING THAT THE GOSPEL BE PREACHED, by which their New Divine Nature THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT GAVE ETERNAL LIFE is Enabled SPIRITUALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME, to Communicate and Connect with GOD, WHO IS SPIRIT.
God Gives them A NEW BORN AGAIN SPIRIT WITH THE ABILITY TO SPIRITUALLY EXERCISE God's Gift of Faith (in response to the Preaching of the Gospel).
1. God Commands: "PREACH THE GOSPEL!"
2. The Holy Spirit is Under His Agreement to Carry Out His Office of Bringing souls to Jesus,
2a. and The Holy Spirit Orchestrates the Circumstances in Providence to have the Gospel Preached, in some form,
at the same place 2b. to an "Invited Guest" present, whose lost heart He had been Convicted under that Preaching...
Since "The Gospel" includes the fact it was our sins that put Jesus to death on the cross and so,
2c. the lost sinner may be Brought under Conviction that their Personal Sins could have been the Cause of Jesus' death.
3. The Lord Grants Repentance , as in 2 Timonthy 2:25
"In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;
if God Peradventure will Give them Repentance to the acknowledging of the Truth;
and in Acts 11:18; The Lord Grants Repentance during Salvation;
"When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God,
saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles Granted Repentance unto Life."
This is the experience of the first half of Two Twin Doctrines in the Scriptures concerning Salvation, "Repentance and Faith".
Just when "Faith", the second half of those two twin Doctrines, is experienced in the "Invited Guest's" soul,
THE NEW BIRTH FROM ABOVE HAS TAKEN PLACE.
That is the Personal Salvation Experience.
The Saved soul had Agreed with God that their personal sins Offended Him, Eternally, and with the Just Punishment for those Eternal sins would be for them to have to suffer in the Lake of Fire, Forever, after God Granted them Repentance.
Then, Working Below the Level of Consciousness, the Holy Spirit Quickens that soul's mind to Eternal Life,
which then Enables the Newly Born Again soul's Quickened mind TO BE ABLE TO THINK WITHIN GOD'S SPIRITUAL REALITY,
AND TO PLACE THEIR TRUST AND FAITH IN THE FINISHED WORK OF JESUS
WHO ACCOMPLISHED SALVATION FOR THE SOULS OF MEN WHO HAD SINNED AND HAD SINS JUST LIKE THEM.
At the same time, essentially, A Preacher Preaches the Gospel,
there is a sinner Present who the Holy Spirit Purposed to be there,
and that sinner is Brought under the Conviction of their sins,
AND then the Holy Spirit Grants them Repentance Toward God and Faith in Jesus Christ at their New Birth.
YOU COULD ONLY FLUFF THEM UP and Blast them out of usefulness, with new lightweight, flesh-filled, compromises.
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Ben1445
Well-Known Member
It is what Jesus said. It is OT prophecy. It is explained in the NT. It should not be surprising for Jesus to teach it or mention it.
Armchair Apologist
Member
The Arminian Remonstrants would disagree with you. Arminians do not consider Calvinism to be heresy, they simply have their disagreements and such debates have raged on pretty much throughout Church history.
Secondly, Calvinism (and Reformed Theology) extends far beyond the "TULIP" that summarizes the canons of Dordt.
Do you have some sort of "QED Bomb" that settles this argument once and for all? Wow! where have you been all these centuries???
Armchair Apologist
Member
These are certainly characteristic of the "Primitive Baptists" and other Hyper-Calvinists
A proper view of soteriology takes into account both God's Sovereignty and Man's Responsibility. Both are clearly taught in the scriptures and I believe that most mainstream Calvinists and Arminians would fit this criteria.
Hyper-Calvinists take a Supralapsarian view that "God decrees his elect in light of the fall" thus believing in equal ultimacy or "double-Predestination" whereby God actively decrees the reprobation of the damned as well as decreeing his elect.
In other words, Hyper-Calvinists deny man's responsibility to repent and believe the Gospel whereas Hyper-Arminians deny (or minimize) God's sovereignty and the "Power of God" to salvation.
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Member
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
Thank you, for your candid, kind remarks.
\The only part of my format that you may be interested in, is that I try to always place the Scriptures in bold purple, so that if nothing else, you could browse over those and generally see where I leading to and the Scriptures are always a Blessing no matter what.
Then, I put the next important items that are usually the outline in bold red, if you want to follow along more.
The bold black type will bring an emphasis to whatever things may be important to catch onto, on either side.
If there is more God-Honoring content, in any media, that Worships Him in a more Solid Doctrinal stance, I will definitely arrange them in my bookmark system (for my benefit from their ministry, i.e., no matter what else they might believe on other things).
'Hypercalvanism" is defined by their insistence on disobeying the first point in the 'Salvation Process' and that is God's Command the "Preach the Gospel".
Hypercalvanist believe that "Preaching the Gospel" is not the Means, in the Spirit Realm, by which God Conveys His Eternal Plan of Salvation to a lost soul at the Time of their Salvation.
However, it is at that Time, at the Preaching of the Gospel, God Grants the lost sinner "Repentance and Faith", with "FAITH" being the MEANS that works with the MEANS OF GOD'S COMMANDING THAT THE GOSPEL BE PREACHED, by which their New Divine Nature THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT GAVE ETERNAL LIFE is Enabled SPIRITUALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME, to Communicate and Connect with GOD, WHO IS SPIRIT.
God Gives them A NEW BORN AGAIN SPIRIT WITH THE ABILITY TO SPIRITUALLY EXERCISE God's Gift of Faith (in response to the Preaching of the Gospel).
1. God Commands: "PREACH THE GOSPEL!"
2. The Holy Spirit is Under His Agreement to Carry Out His Office of Bringing souls to Jesus,
2a. and The Holy Spirit Orchestrates the Circumstances in Providence to have the Gospel Preached, in some form,
at the same place 2b. to an "Invited Guest" present, whose lost heart He had been Convicted under that Preaching...
Since "The Gospel" includes the fact it was our sins that put Jesus to death on the cross and so,
2c. the lost sinner may be Brought under Conviction that their Personal Sins could have been the Cause of Jesus' death.
3. The Lord Grants Repentance , as in 2 Timonthy 2:25
"In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;
if God Peradventure will Give them Repentance to the acknowledging of the Truth;
and in Acts 11:18; The Lord Grants Repentance during Salvation;
"When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God,
saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles Granted Repentance unto Life."
This is the experience of the first half of Two Twin Doctrines in the Scriptures concerning Salvation, "Repentance and Faith".
Just when "Faith", the second half of those two twin Doctrines, is experienced in the "Invited Guest's" soul,
THE NEW BIRTH FROM ABOVE HAS TAKEN PLACE.
That is the Personal Salvation Experience.
The Saved soul had Agreed with God that their personal sins Offended Him, Eternally, and with the Just Punishment for those Eternal sins would be for them to have to suffer in the Lake of Fire, Forever, after God Granted them Repentance.
Then, Working Below the Level of Consciousness, the Holy Spirit Quickens that soul's mind to Eternal Life,
which then Enables the Newly Born Again soul's Quickened mind BE ABLE TO THINK WITHIN THE SPIRITUAL REALITY,
AND TO PLACE THEIR TRUST AND FAITH IN THE FINISHED WORK OF JESUS
WHO ACCOMPLISHED SALVATION FOR THE SOULS OF MEN.
At the same time, essentially, A Preacher Preaches the Gospel,
there is a sinner Present who the Holy Spirit Purposed to be there,
and that sinner is Brought under the Conviction of their sins,
AND then the Holy Spirit Grants them Repentance Toward God and Faith in Jesus Christ at their New Birth.
This is how to get anything AT ALL out of what I post, if you like.
\The only part of my format that you may be interested in, is that I try to always place the Scriptures in bold purple, so that if nothing else, you could browse over those and generally see where I leading to and the Scriptures are always a Blessing no matter what.
Then, I put the next important items that are usually the outline in bold red, if you want to follow along more.
The bold black type will bring an emphasis to whatever things may be important to catch onto, on either side.
If there is more God-Honoring content, in any media, that Worships Him in a more Solid Doctrinal stance, I will definitely arrange them in my bookmark system (for my benefit from their ministry, i.e., no matter what else they might believe on other things).
No. That one's way off farther than you might ever be able to realize.
'Hypercalvanism" is defined by their insistence on disobeying the first point in the 'Salvation Process' and that is God's Command the "Preach the Gospel".
Hypercalvanist believe that "Preaching the Gospel" is not the Means, in the Spirit Realm, by which God Conveys His Eternal Plan of Salvation to a lost soul at the Time of their Salvation.
However, it is at that Time, at the Preaching of the Gospel, God Grants the lost sinner "Repentance and Faith", with "FAITH" being the MEANS that works with the MEANS OF GOD'S COMMANDING THAT THE GOSPEL BE PREACHED, by which their New Divine Nature THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT GAVE ETERNAL LIFE is Enabled SPIRITUALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME, to Communicate and Connect with GOD, WHO IS SPIRIT.
God Gives them A NEW BORN AGAIN SPIRIT WITH THE ABILITY TO SPIRITUALLY EXERCISE God's Gift of Faith (in response to the Preaching of the Gospel).
1. God Commands: "PREACH THE GOSPEL!"
2. The Holy Spirit is Under His Agreement to Carry Out His Office of Bringing souls to Jesus,
2a. and The Holy Spirit Orchestrates the Circumstances in Providence to have the Gospel Preached, in some form,
at the same place 2b. to an "Invited Guest" present, whose lost heart He had been Convicted under that Preaching...
Since "The Gospel" includes the fact it was our sins that put Jesus to death on the cross and so,
2c. the lost sinner may be Brought under Conviction that their Personal Sins could have been the Cause of Jesus' death.
3. The Lord Grants Repentance , as in 2 Timonthy 2:25
"In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;
if God Peradventure will Give them Repentance to the acknowledging of the Truth;
and in Acts 11:18; The Lord Grants Repentance during Salvation;
"When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God,
saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles Granted Repentance unto Life."
This is the experience of the first half of Two Twin Doctrines in the Scriptures concerning Salvation, "Repentance and Faith".
Just when "Faith", the second half of those two twin Doctrines, is experienced in the "Invited Guest's" soul,
THE NEW BIRTH FROM ABOVE HAS TAKEN PLACE.
That is the Personal Salvation Experience.
The Saved soul had Agreed with God that their personal sins Offended Him, Eternally, and with the Just Punishment for those Eternal sins would be for them to have to suffer in the Lake of Fire, Forever, after God Granted them Repentance.
Then, Working Below the Level of Consciousness, the Holy Spirit Quickens that soul's mind to Eternal Life,
which then Enables the Newly Born Again soul's Quickened mind BE ABLE TO THINK WITHIN THE SPIRITUAL REALITY,
AND TO PLACE THEIR TRUST AND FAITH IN THE FINISHED WORK OF JESUS
WHO ACCOMPLISHED SALVATION FOR THE SOULS OF MEN.
At the same time, essentially, A Preacher Preaches the Gospel,
there is a sinner Present who the Holy Spirit Purposed to be there,
and that sinner is Brought under the Conviction of their sins,
AND then the Holy Spirit Grants them Repentance Toward God and Faith in Jesus Christ at their New Birth.
YOU COULD ONLY FLUFF THEM UP and Blast them out of usefulness, with new lightweight, flesh-filled, compromises.
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
The Parables of The 10 Talents and The Pounds bring as Heavy-Duty a Divine Censor down on the disobedient servants, AS I HAVE EVER BEEN ABLE TO DO.
What do I do on the Board here, say "Hi, brother so and so, you are A Lazy and Unfaithful Servant, BOTH!"
In the Parable of The Talents, the Lazy Servant is rejected, illustrating that stewardship has Eternal Consequences
AND in The Pounds, The Unfaithful Servant is the one who hides his pound out of fear is condemned as "wicked," and his pound is taken away.
They don't even fancy themselves to be "a Servant" of any kind, to anybody, to start with.
If they did, they might be able to realize how Hard God is Coming Down on them in Fierce Rebuke!
Do Hypercalvanists even know whether they are Saved or not, ever? Where is any 'Salvation' in that?
That's the worst, most self-condemning, blind self-sabotage, consent of defeat on the part of everyone that there could be.
"These things write I unto you that you may know that you have Eternal Life."
Saved souls should have had a Real Personal Salvation Experience in the Forgiveness of their sins, by the Blood of Jesus.
...
The Parable of the Talents AI Overview; (Matthew 25:14-30) teaches that believers are entrusted with God’s resources (time, abilities, Gospel) and must actively use them to build His kingdom while awaiting His return. It emphasizes stewardship, encouraging proactive risk-taking in faith rather than hoarding or acting out of fear. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Key Interpretations of the Parable:
- Faithful Stewardship: The master (Jesus) rewards servants who invest their talents (money/gifts) and produce a return, punishing the servant who buries his out of fear.
- Active Service Over Fear: The parable warns against slothfulness and "playing it safe." It suggests that failing to use God-given gifts is a serious failure.
- Divine Empowerment: The talents are given according to ability (5, 2, 1), suggesting God provides the necessary tools for what He calls people to do.
- Judgment and Reward: The productive servants are rewarded with more responsibility and "joy," whereas the lazy servant is rejected, illustrating that stewardship has eternal consequences. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]
The Parable of the Pounds AI Overview; (Luke 19:11-27) is a story about a nobleman who entrusts his servants with equal amounts of money ("pounds" or minas) to manage while he is away to receive a kingdom. It teaches that followers of Christ are expected to work diligently, risk, and use their gifts to build God's kingdom until his return, rather than living in fear or doing nothing. [1, 2, 3]
Key Aspects and Meaning
- The Context: Jesus told this story while approaching Jerusalem, intending to correct the belief that the Kingdom of God would appear immediately.
- The Meaning of the "Pound": Unlike the Parable of the Talents (where talents differ), each servant in this parable receives an identical pound (or mina). This signifies that all believers have been given the same opportunity—the Gospel—to work with and manage.
- The Command: "Occupy till I come" (Luke 19:13) indicates that servants are to actively invest their time and resources in God's service during the leader's absence.
- Judgment and Reward:The servants are judged based on their diligence and productivity upon the master's return.
- Faithful Servants: Those who increased their pounds are rewarded with authority over cities.
- The Unfaithful Servant: The servant who hides his pound out of fear is condemned as "wicked," and his pound is taken away.
- The Nobleman's Return: The master's return represents the second coming of Christ, where he will judge his servants and reign as king. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
"Preaching the Gospel" is the Means, in the Spirit Realm, by which God Conveys His Eternal Plan of Salvation to a lost soul at the Time of their Salvation.
We are Commanded to Preach the Gospel to "every creature", Jews and Gentiles alike. AND GOD TAKES IT FROM THERE, AS TO WHO HE HAS BROUGHT UNDER THE TEACHING OF THE ETERNAL WORD OF GOD, THAT HE HAS CHOSEN AND GIVEN TO JESUS, SO THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT NOW GRANTS THEM THE NEW BIRTH AND THE DIVINE NATURE TO BELIEVE BY FAITH IN JESUS' DEATH, BURIAL, AND RESURRECTION, TO SAVE THEIR SOUL FROM THEMSELVES AS BEING BLIND HELLBOUND SINNERS, OTHERWISE.
That's what we understand as to How God Saves Souls.
There is no illogical twists and turns or word games or mental gyrations to deal with.
It is simply a Divine Command that when carried out, God takes the Obligation as to whether or not the Gospel being Preached at that time is Ineffective the way the General Call always is, or if God has Chosen to make that Preaching of the Gospel Effective and Irresistible in the soul of one of His Elect, as the Specific, Personal Call to Salvation, always is.
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
God has Passively Allowed Adam to be mutable, where eventually, in the course of time Adam would have inevitably sinned.
God didn't Make a robot, or confirm Adam in the State of Innocence the way He did the Angels, but He still wanted a Created Being of His to Share in Communion with Him throughout all of Eternity, so His only Plan was to Send His Son "in the likeness of Human flesh, and for sin, to Condemn sin in the flesh", "as a Lamb Slain before the Foundation of the World". Romans 8:3, Revelation 13:8.
There is no need for God to have Positively, Actively "Ordained" a sinner's Total Inability to NOT BE ABLE TO relate to God Who is Spirit.
The only thing God did with regard to the lost sinners that He didn't choose in Election was to leave them where He Found them, in their wicked, vile, God-Hating sin-cursed condition "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the Earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually".
That condition can only be Dealt with, by God Using the Means and Instrument of His Word to Break through their Darkness.
"For the Word of God is Quick, and Powerful, and Sharper than any two-edged sword, Piercing even to the Dividing Asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart," Hebrews 4:12.
Sinners "fitted" themselves for destruction, when they sinned in Adam; meaning, if they had been the one in the Garden, they would have fallen into sin themselves and now that it is their Nature to sin, they love Darkness rather than Light, because their deeds are evil and God did not make them that way. The entire Human Race fell into a State of Enmity against God on our own.
9; "What then? are we better than they?
No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10; "As it is written, There is none Righteous, no, not one:
11; "There is none that Understandeth, there is none that Seeketh after God.
12; "They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable;
there is none that doeth Good, no, not one.
13; "Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit;
the poison of asps is under their lips:
14; "Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15; "Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16; "Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17; "And the way of Peace have they not known:
18; "There is no Fear of God before their eyes.
19; "Now we know that what things soever the Law saith,
it saith to them who are under the Law: that every mouth may be stopped,
and all the World may become Guilty before God.
20; "Therefore by the deeds of the Law there shall no flesh be Justified in His sight:
for by the Law is the knowledge of sin."
God Addresses the Totally Depraved World of Mankind by Choosing to Save souls from every Kindred, Tribe, and Nation.
We rejoice and Worship Him for having Done So, as the God of Election, because that is what He Teaches in His Revelation to Mankind, the Holy Bible, as to How God Saves Souls.
Every child of Adam has Inability, WITHOUT ANY ACTIVITY BY GOD, and are already Condemned, because of the sin of Adam and their sin in Adam and because they have not believed on the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Eternal Savior of souls, as their Savior.
"The Decree concerning the Rejection of some of the sons of men. It may be observed, that we can hear and read of the non-Election and Rejection of Angels, and of their Preordination to Condemnation and Wrath, with very little emotion of mind: the devils may be Cast Down to Hell, to be Everlastingly Damned, and be Appointed thereunto, and it gives no great concern; no hard thoughts against God arise, no charge of cruelty, want of Kindness to His Creatures and Offspring, and of Injustice to them;
"but if anything of this kind is hinted at, with respect to any of the Apostate sons of Adam, presently there is an outcry against it; and all the above things are suggested. What is the reason of this difference? It can be only this, that the latter comes nearer home, and more nearly affects us; it is partiality to ourselves, our Nature, and Race, to which this is owing;
"otherwise, far greater severity, if it may be so called, is exercised on Fallen Angels, than on Fallen man; for God has not Spared one of the Angels that sinned, Provided no Savior for them, nor so much as Given them the Means of Grace; but Consigned them all over at once to Everlasting Wrath and Ruin:
"whereas, not only a Savior is Provided for Fallen men, and Means of Grace Allowed them, but thousands, and ten thousands, millions and millions of them are Saved, by the Abundant Mercy and Grace of God, through Christ."
The Decree Of Rejection, Of Some Angels, And Of Some Men
His By Grace--"John Gill: A Body of Doctrinal & Practical Divinity"-Doctrinal Book 2, Chapter 3
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I only pointed out what he pointed out.
Ben1445
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I certainly am glad that God actively gave Himself for us. There is now no person who may say that God has never actively sought them.
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