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Calvinism opposing Calvin??
- Thread starter steaver
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We know the Spirit came upon people before the New Testament. However, the NT makes it clear that Jesus Christ was the first born of the New Covenant.
"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." (Col 1:18)
Katarina Von Bora
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Katarina Von Bora
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Nothing of any consequence. God Bless
Beauclair Bouchard
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Yes Calvin and Luther had a mutual respect for each other. Luther was accepting of Calvin's view of communion. The problem came between "Calvinist's" and "Lutheran's"
Beauclair Bouchard
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Yes Calvin was very clear and articulate on his view and did favor Luther more than Zwingli.
Too bad neither have them had the correct viewpoint regarding this though!
Guess Paul forgot about Lazarus....
Firstborn does not necessarily mean first in the series but first in preeminence or rank.
Psalm 89
20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:
21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.
22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.
23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.
24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.
25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.
26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
HankD
Paul's definition of faith in Hebrews 11:1 demands faith has both "substance" and "hope" as inseparable aspects of its character. Regeneration in part, is the creation of these two aspects within the human heart in connection with the gospel. The advancement of the gospel to the outward ear produces nothing but rejection. However, when the Holy Spirit empowers the gospel as his creative word, it is the power of God that calls into existence within the darkened human heart both the "substance" and "hope" of faith as described by Paul in 2 Cor. 4:6 where he likens the empowerment of the Gospel as the "command" of God that effectually called light into a dark world (Gen. 1:2-3). When the gospel comes internally in power it produces "the light of knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 4:6). This metaphorical light is "knowledge" or the "substance" implanted in the heart that makes God known through Christ which is eternal life (Jn. 17:3). Also, "the glory of God IN THE FACE of Jesus Christ" implants the gospel "hope" withing the heart thus saving faith is created of which Christ, who is God in the flesh is therefore "the author" as well as its finisher (heb. 12:2). This is precisely how Paul says the elect can know they are the elect (1 Thes. 1:4). When the gospel comes "not in word only BUT in power and in the Spirit and in much assurance" so that they are transformed in character like unto those who preached the gospel, they then can know they are the elect (1 Thes. 1:5-6).
Faith cometh by the RHEMA of God - His command (Rom. 10:17 with 2 Cor. 4:6 "command") rather than merely or only by the RHEMA of men (Rom. 10:18-19) which is powerless and futile.
Faith cometh by the RHEMA of God - His command (Rom. 10:17 with 2 Cor. 4:6 "command") rather than merely or only by the RHEMA of men (Rom. 10:18-19) which is powerless and futile.
God says "I will make" him my firstborn. That would be first in a series.
Acts 10
. 28And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him; and yet God has shown me that I should not call any man unholy or unclean.
::: PUTS GLASSES ON::::
. 28And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him; and yet God has shown me that I should call ALL MEN unholy and unclean.
I could do this all day.....bout 150 verses
David was not the firstborn of Jesse, in fact he was the last, but you already knew that.
HankD
Psalm 89 is speaking about Messiah, Jesus Christ, not David, but you already knew that.
He is the "firstborn" from the dead in a glorified body. Lazerus was never raised in a glorified body.
Yes i knew that but you already knew that.
HankD
And.....? Your making no sense. God said he would MAKE messiah His Firstborn. This then would be first in a series.
"make" - Do I have to explain everything to you steaver?
David was not Jesse's firstborn but God made him firstborn in order to make him king (kings had to be firstborn) over Israel.
God decreed him (David) firstborn to make him king of Israel.
People had been raised from the dead before Jesus resurrection from the dead
1 Kings 17:17-22
2 Kings 4:18–37
Luke 7:11–17
Luke 8:52–56
John 11.
David is a biblical metaphorical model of Jesus status as Firstborn from the dead.
Jesus though not the first in the series of those raised from the dead has been declared by God as the Firstborn from the dead.
But you already knew this I suspect.
HankD