Mathew 18:22-35
o.k. Romanbear, let me dismiss this peice of scripture so you won't be disappointed.
I'm starting at Matt. 18.21
Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
vs. 35 ends: So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
In vs. 21 Peter establishes the fact that the conversation is speaking of forgiveness among brethren.
Jesus answers not the limit Peter gives of seven times; but seventy times seven; if taken literally is only 490 times; then the limit would be met and forgiveness is not required of us any longer.
However, seven is a perfect number because in this (the seventh day God rested from all his work) Thus speaking of the rest of God, which is in Christ and thus eternal; immediately your thought of being cast away is futile.
But Jesus does not stop here; he moves directly into a Parable in which he reiterates the fact that he is teaching concerning "fellowservants" vss. 28-31 and 33 and then the reference in 35 to 'brother' is again used. Obviously teaching within the scope of the Family of God.
Note that in vs 35 it is said: So likewise will my heavenly Father do unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
This does not say that God will not forgive; but is referring to vs. 34 where the erring servant is delivered to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
This is the very thing that Bro. Glen spoke of in his post. Nowhere can it be said do these scriptures announce that salvation can be lost once granted.
We agree, I believe, that man cannot 'pay' God to earn his salvation, thus this scripture cannot be speaking of gaining nor losing that which cannot be bought by man. It must then be speaking toward reward, or blessing, in this life, for serving God in spirit and in truth and living inside His will.
To deduce a loss of salvation here is not viable.
Now, Romans 11.22 is not speaking of losing salvation, but the fall of Israel from 'most favored nation status' with God. Note vs. 1, 7, and 25 to name a few. vs. 1 specifically says they are not cast away. vs. 7 says Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. vs. 25 agrees and calls this blindness to be in part happened to Israel 'until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.'
Nowhere do the scriptures support a now you have it, now you don't view.
God Bless.
Bro. Dallas
[ February 12, 2003, 02:14 AM: Message edited by: Frogman ]
o.k. Romanbear, let me dismiss this peice of scripture so you won't be disappointed.
I'm starting at Matt. 18.21
Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
vs. 35 ends: So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
In vs. 21 Peter establishes the fact that the conversation is speaking of forgiveness among brethren.
Jesus answers not the limit Peter gives of seven times; but seventy times seven; if taken literally is only 490 times; then the limit would be met and forgiveness is not required of us any longer.
However, seven is a perfect number because in this (the seventh day God rested from all his work) Thus speaking of the rest of God, which is in Christ and thus eternal; immediately your thought of being cast away is futile.
But Jesus does not stop here; he moves directly into a Parable in which he reiterates the fact that he is teaching concerning "fellowservants" vss. 28-31 and 33 and then the reference in 35 to 'brother' is again used. Obviously teaching within the scope of the Family of God.
Note that in vs 35 it is said: So likewise will my heavenly Father do unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
This does not say that God will not forgive; but is referring to vs. 34 where the erring servant is delivered to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
This is the very thing that Bro. Glen spoke of in his post. Nowhere can it be said do these scriptures announce that salvation can be lost once granted.
We agree, I believe, that man cannot 'pay' God to earn his salvation, thus this scripture cannot be speaking of gaining nor losing that which cannot be bought by man. It must then be speaking toward reward, or blessing, in this life, for serving God in spirit and in truth and living inside His will.
To deduce a loss of salvation here is not viable.
Now, Romans 11.22 is not speaking of losing salvation, but the fall of Israel from 'most favored nation status' with God. Note vs. 1, 7, and 25 to name a few. vs. 1 specifically says they are not cast away. vs. 7 says Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. vs. 25 agrees and calls this blindness to be in part happened to Israel 'until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.'
Nowhere do the scriptures support a now you have it, now you don't view.
God Bless.
Bro. Dallas
[ February 12, 2003, 02:14 AM: Message edited by: Frogman ]
