jdlongmire
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Allan - that's twice you have accused me of not understanding a term or concept.Allan said:I will get to the OP later tonight but I wanted to post on this one now.
You are not talking past one another at all. He just is not accepting your version of things.
Then you go off with this, that no one has made any statements about yet you feel complelled for some reason to go into a complete misunderstanding of what synergism is. You have twice used in two different threads conjecture of what someone Noo-Calvinstic holds to and have been wrong both times. (well one was the original cut-paste that was wrong but your wrong here in understanding of synergism).
Synergism in terms of soteriology means that Man cooperates with God to effectuate or accomplish his (Man's) salvation.
Not God alone (monergism), but God with Man (synergism).
You are mistaken, it is used in several contexts - see here.Secondly, the phrase 'gift of God' is used repeatedly in scripture by only regarding two things - 1. salvation; 2. spiritual gifts (there is not one of these gifts which all believers have).
You are mistaken:However, the phrase is never used for 'faith' in any manner. Just look for yourself:
And in relation to Eph 2:8 - the context of the surrounding passages establish that the gift which is being spoken of is salvation not faith.
Ephesians 2:8
First phrase - the action is "saved" the object is "faith".For by grace you have been saved through faith;
Second phrase "that" and "it" reference the object not the action.and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
ok...I do believe that in a sense is a gift from God since without God intervening in mans life we would (and are justly so) bound for Hell. Thus God's outworking toward man that we might believe can be (in a sense) wrapped up in the whole aspect of it.
You are confusing saving faith (the special gift of God) with experiential/experimental faith (which everyone has).However, all men have the capcity for faith as we because they place it in all manner of non-salvic things.
That is:
John 20:25
So the other disciples were saying to him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe."
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1 Peter 1:8
8and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,
Question: Which type did Christ bless?
John 20:29Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."
Again - "man's natural capacity for faith" is flawed - God's gift of saving faith is not.Now just a quick thought for you to ponder here:
On the premise that all men have the capcity of faith and the Calvinistic veiw of Regeneration -
Would not the 'regeneration' of man efficiently enable mans natural capcity of faith already there to recieve the salvation of God?
Why then does God need to give man faith (something he already has), when the truth is, the regeneration would enable that mans faith so that he would believe God savingly by his regenerated faith?