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Calvinism VS Arminianism Comparison Chart by L. Boettner

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Wesley Briggman said:
Do those who practice free will have an identity? Large/dominate groups most often chose a name.
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Yes we do "born again Christians"
Wesley Briggman said:
Not willing to remain simple minded in your view, please provide the name of the alternate group.
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Born again Christian.

Wesley Briggman said:
Supporting documentation please.
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Here you are wanting me to support your doctrine. Most all Calvinist claim they were saved so they could believe. They are placing Salvation before they even know God.

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Supporting documentation please. Or, is this you imagination running wild?

Did Saul, on the road to Damascus exercise his free will by asking Christ to save him?
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Running wild LOL:Laugh
How else could your false doctrine be explained.I'll use this. Your false doctrine of total depravity demands all men are dead in sin and cannot respond to the gospel. So you have to be saved or regenerated in order to understand after you are saved if you can't understand you can't have faith because Faith comes by hearing the gospel. Although some how the moment you are saved you know all about Jesus and have faith. What a load of bull.

By the way Paul submitted to Christ when he asked the lord what He would have Him do. That is a willing will to serve the Lord. The Bible never says we have to ask it just says to;
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Belief come first
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Wesley Briggman said:
Therefore, anyone who does not endorse free will is by default not a child of God?
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See this is the problem with calvies/reformed whatever flavor you are. You look at every post as if it is us against them. So you could not help yourself but to put words in my mouth I did not say nor intend to say. Let's be clear, I do not mince my words. I am always clear and if I had wanted to say that I would have said that exactly.

Good grief, a clear example of why it is so difficult to have a decent discussion on this board.
 
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1689Dave said:
If you realize how much people hate God from birth, and that they cannot recognize the true Christ but only worship idols, then Calvinism is the only bible doctrine that makes sense. You need to understand sin before you can understand grace.
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You are wrong Calvinism in many way is just like JW's SDA and Mormonism All of which are man made doctrines according to the interpretation of men. No one, who cannot hear or understand, understands sin or, Grace, according to your own doctrines. Calvinism steps on the neck of man and tells him he can't go to heaven because there is already too many Calvinist there and they don't want heaven to be over crowded. Calvinism is all about self and everyone who isn't a Calvinist can go to hell. Calvinist could care less. After all if God doesn't care why should they
There is no love of your neighbors. There is only love of self. Calvinism is a very sad doctrine of deception.
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1689Dave said:
If you realize how much people hate God from birth, and that they cannot recognize the true Christ but only worship idols, then Calvinism is the only bible doctrine that makes sense. You need to understand sin before you can understand grace.
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You need to understand the power of God's word before you can understand grace.
 
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MB said:
You are wrong Calvinism in many way is just like JW's SDA and Mormonism All of which are man made doctrines according to the interpretation of men. No one, who cannot hear or understand, understands sin or, Grace, according to your own doctrines. Calvinism steps on the neck of man and tells him he can't go to heaven because there is already too many Calvinist there and they don't want heaven to be over crowded. Calvinism is all about self and everyone who isn't a Calvinist can go to hell. Calvinist could care less. After all if God doesn't care why should they
There is no love of your neighbors. There is only love of self. Calvinism is a very sad doctrine of deception.
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You need scripture to refute Calvinism. It has not been done yet since Augustine first debated the issues. The Council of Ephesus found Augustine was right and they condemned Pelagianism as heresy. All theologies beside Calvinism are pelagian in principle.
 
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1689Dave said:
You need scripture to refute Calvinism. It has not been done yet since Augustine first debated the issues. The Council of Ephesus found Augustine was right and they condemned Pelagianism as heresy. All theologies beside Calvinism are pelagian in principle.
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So, in principle everyone who is not a calvinist is a heretic?
 
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1689Dave said:
It speaks the new birth into existence and faith follows.
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Wrong. Here's what the Bible says about this:

John 20:31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

Ephesians 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
 
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1689Dave said:
You need scripture to refute Calvinism. It has not been done yet since Augustine first debated the issues. The Council of Ephesus found Augustine was right and they condemned Pelagianism as heresy. All theologies beside Calvinism are pelagian in principle.
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I've already disproved Calvinism for it's true lack of scriptural support.
As far as freewill the Bible clearly teaches;
2Co_8:12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.
Think about it your not being willing can send you where you clearly do not wish to go. If a man does not have willingness He does not have Salvation.
Being willing is not a work but is what the worker needs to be saved.
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1689Dave;
The reason I contend for the truth is that I worry about the Calvinist soul. Deception is a horrible thing you may not be able to escape. I have prayed for you that the Calvinist blindfold would be lifted so you could see clearly. I know it's hard to admit when you are wrong.
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Wesley Briggman said:
Therefore, anyone who does not endorse free will is by default not a child of God?
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Revmitchell said:
See this is the problem with calvies/reformed whatever flavor you are. You look at every post as if it is us against them. So you could not help yourself but to put words in my mouth I did not say nor intend to say. Let's be clear, I do not mince my words. I am always clear and if I had wanted to say that I would have said that exactly.

Good grief, a clear example of why it is so difficult to have a decent discussion on this board.
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I made no charges, I simply asked a question. Mitch, you must have large shoulders to be able to carry all those chips around.
 
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