Calvinist/Arminian Baptist Brethren Identify Yourselves!

[Bob Hope]

You describe a gospel of works which cannot save....it is no gospel at all;
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

 

[Iconoclast]

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

You can disagree all you want, but a works gospel cannot save.
these persons were judged according to their works.....they were all judged and found guilty as charged and sent to second death.

 

[Bob Hope]

You can disagree all you want, but a works gospel cannot save.
these persons were judged according to their works.....they were all judged and found guilty as charged and sent to second death.

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.



41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.


It would seem the Messiah has a different take on works and their role in ones life.

 

[Iconoclast]

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.



41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.


It would seem the Messiah has a different take on works and their role in ones life.

Not at all....good works are ordained for the elect
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

they are not saved because of them....

you have jumped in to the deep end of the pool and do not know how to swim my friend....learn some gospel basics before exposing your false ideas .

 

[Bob Hope]

Not at all....good works are ordained for the elect
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

they are not saved because of them....

you have jumped in to the deep end of the pool and do not know how to swim my friend....learn some gospel basics before exposing your false ideas .

I understand the gospel. Christ was very clear about it. Not really sure how one could read the parables and say that works are not the key to salvation. The elect are those who do his will. I do not recognize Paul's letters as scripture. Using them in an argument is pointless.

 

[TCassidy]

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

A man is justified by faith in the eyes of God and by works in the eyes of men. Man looks on the outward things, and God looks on the heart.

 

[TCassidy]

I do not recognize Paul's letters as scripture.

Then we have nothing more to discuss.

2 Timothy 3:16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness,
17 that each person who belongs to God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

[Bob Hope]

Then we have nothing more to discuss.

2 Timothy 3:16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness,
17 that each person who belongs to God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Do you think Paul was referring to his own letters?

 

[Bob Hope]

Then we have nothing more to discuss.

2 Timothy 3:16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness,
17 that each person who belongs to God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Christ warned us about Paul. Remember the reference?

 

[Iconoclast]

I understand the gospel. Christ was very clear about it. Not really sure how one could read the parables and say that works are not the key to salvation. The elect are those who do his will. I do not recognize Paul's letters as scripture. Using them in an argument is pointless.

If you deny Paul's writing as scripture you are yet outside the Kingdom.....sorry....the SPIRIT is Given to open truth to persons...
To deny scripture is scripture is to confess you are not believer yet.

 

[Iconoclast]

If you deny Paul's writing as scripture you are yet outside the Kingdom.....sorry....the SPIRIT is Given to open truth to persons...
To deny scripture is scripture is to confess you are not believer yet.

The Apostles were guided into all truth.
If you do not believe them....you do not believe God
1jn4:1-6
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

 

[Bob Hope]

If you deny Paul's writing as scripture you are yet outside the Kingdom.....sorry....the SPIRIT is Given to open truth to persons...
To deny scripture is scripture is to confess you are not believer yet.

It doesn't take long to get to what you are really putting your faith in.

 

[Bob Hope]

The Apostles were guided into all truth.
If you do not believe them....you do not believe God
1jn4:1-6
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

You are gravely mistake about many things concerning the bible.

 

[Bob Hope]

Then we have nothing more to discuss.

2 Timothy 3:16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness,
17 that each person who belongs to God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

John 5:43
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.


Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

 

[Rob_BW]

It doesn't take long to get to what you are really putting your faith in.

The Bible > Youtube

 

[Bob Hope]

The Bible > Youtube

Bible=savior

 

[Iconoclast]

You are gravely mistake about many things concerning the bible.

To someone outside the kingdom it would appear that way...here is the Apostle paul guided by the Holy Spirit;
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

 

[Bob Hope]

To someone outside the kingdom it would appear that way...here is the Apostle paul guided by the Holy Spirit;
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

You can have your savior Saul, a murder and a liar. I'll follow the Messiah.

 

[Iconoclast]

You can have your savior Saul, a murder and a liar. I'll follow the Messiah.

You can do whatever you want in the strength of your flesh....but you will never know the salvation of God unless you can trust His word....

Paul's testimony of God's grace ...which saves sinners is right here.....

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Bob Hope]

You can do whatever you want in the strength of your flesh....but you will never know the salvation of God unless you can trust His word....

Paul's testimony of God's grace ...which saves sinners is right here.....

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

If you cant prove your salvation with the gospels then you have no salvation.