Calvinist claim they are elected.

Greetings prophecynut.

It is freely available to those who wish to partake of the Living waters brother.

Do not thank me, thank the Lord.

More Kingdom points for me.

johnp.

 

But prophecynut we are being transformed into his likeness.

2 Cor 3:18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

Col 3:9-10 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.

Praise the Lord.

Good ain't it?

johnp.

 

Ok so you will not come on?

You are so full of pride Wes.

Let me do some real boasting.
I am saved by Jesus because the Father gave me to Him. The Father chose me in Christ before the creation of the world and I could not care less what He does with everyone else especially people like you. You do not go in and you try to close the door on anyone else entering.

I have nothing but contempt for your wisdom such as it is. Such as it is, is dependant on God, as is mine.
Nonetheless, I despise your belief. Let us not spare feelings. Your belief is opposed to mine. You say you are persuaded by spirits and then you tell me I must prove what you believe. Do me a favour. Stick it. If you are not prepared to prove your words why should I? But I will. I can. You know that don't you, O depraved one.
To our Master we stand or fall and you will fall because your master is not my Master.
My Master is able whereas yours is lacking in Wisdom and everything that is good. You are a son of perdition.
Thanks Wes. I have not been able to express myself as richly as this before. I would also like to give my blessings to the moderator/ors of these threads in allowing these exchanges to take place.

I will not be your judge, your words are your judge. I am there to judge angels and you are no angel. Another trap you walk into.

I say you are a fool and a spiritist, only your words, and all you reply with is; "You like to leave out letters, try this one on for size, "I am not your Shepherd. I am one of the dogs."

Wow! I am astounded as I am sure all are. Sarcasm comes easy with me, I'm from the gutter and I recognise gutter when I see it fool.
Eze 16:47 You not only walked in their ways and copied their detestable practices, but in all your ways you soon became more depraved than they. 48 As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done.
They suffered for their own sins but you will suffer the sins of your father. John 10:26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep, He says. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

What? Is that a stone in your hands? Why? Loser.

Do you think these words are just words and have no power loser? You try our patience as you try His. Recant.

johnp.

 

That is good enough. I said I am a sheep dog you perverter of truth. You will die in your sins if you do not believe in Jesus. And then you can send me the postcard that reads, wish you were here.

johnp. [/QUOTE]
I just did to you what you've been doing to me for the past 48 hours or so! I deliberately, and at your unintentional invitation, distorted something that you said, and look at your reaction!

Yes, my postcard to you will be postmarked in Heaven, addressed to you somewhere in or near a a Hot lake!

I think this has been carried out to its conclusion and need not go any further, unless of course you wish to pursue it further.

 

Come on guys, let's get back to the Bible and theology here...I haven't checked the last pages on the topic but...

 

Yes, is there a brand or what?

Are most Roman Catholics going to get the 'nod?' How about we poor of spirit semi-Pelagians and Arminians; will we get the open door?

What is the low bar for Arminians, Calvinists, Roman Catholics, Messianic Christians, and semi-Pelagians? In other words, what is the minimum of qualifications for all of us?

 

Even if you are a Calvinist, HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE AN ELECT?


Oh wait....Calvin said so.....right?

 

JOhn and Wes ... You guys clean it up and talk about the subject at hand.

 

OK Larry

 

There is no minimum of qualifications. If qualifications determineed salvation then it would be by works.

How do you arrive at a decision? You analyze information, weigh the pros and cons and make a preference to what you desire. If salvation is determined by what you decide then your outcome is solely based on your ability to make the right decision. Are you sure you posses the necessary competence, aptitude and talent to make the right decision? If you do then you are boasting and denying the same right to others like me who are not capable.

 

Wes.

He said to me, "RO 8:37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

I believe that without reservation. That is how I know.
I do not try to get round it by saying that I can walk away because the passage says 'nothing can separate me' and I am not nothing.
Do you understand that?

I do not depend on my faith continuing because of some force in me but I depend on God. He promised me that I will never suffer loss. That makes me free. There is now no condemnation for me.

johnp.

 

Well Johnp
That is exactly the same way that I, a non-calvinist Christian knows. So you have given no real difference, so far, between us.

But, what happens if you stop believing?

 

johnp,

You said, ‘I believe that without reservation. That is how I know. I do not try to get round it by saying that I can walk away because the passage says 'nothing can separate me' and I am not nothing. Do you understand that?’ [/quote]

I fully understand what you are saying, John.

This is your way of expressing that you did nothing to procure your salvation, as in a decision.

What is happening is that in reading Romans 8:1 ‘There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, and Romans 8:32-39 you are trusting in the promises of the Word of God. And to my way of thinking, believing in Jesus’ promises is the right thing to do.

But, please do not be confused that when you are trusting in the promises of the Lord, you are trusting the spiritual advice of the One Who made the covenant promises.

Christ is the Rock, the anchor of our souls, and the Rock of Ages. None of us would have trusted in the guarantee of His promises if we, by the aid of the Spirit, we were not convinced of Jesus’ Divine credibility.

 

If you think you lost it, you never had it in the first place.

 

Wrong Answer, read the parable of the sower!

 

Wes... you can "jump" out of the hand of Christ huh? Once the Holy Spirit seals you, you are His.

I will lose none who you have given me... Hmmm Wes... making Jesus a liar?

 

Ray.

I agreed to pray to Jesus in 1969 to get an irritating Christian off my back. I neither believed or cared to believe in any God. All that stuff was just a joke to me.
I started the prayer as an atheist and finished it in conversation with the One I did not believe in.
I did nothing to procure my salvation except pray to a nonexistent Jesus. He met me there.

I trust God's word because God gave me the trust I needed to trust Him.

I find it hard to imagine how one could not believe Jesus to be God yet believe in the promises. Not because the promises depend on Jesus being God but because I would imagine that most people find out that Jesus is God before they find out about any promises.
I found out that Jesus is God before I realised that there were any promises, but after I was saved, but I suppose it quite likely that some may believe the promises before they believe or know that Jesus is God.

johnp.