First, I'm not obsessed with anything. If anyone would be considered obsessive, check out the monthly "_______ is a calvinistic month" threads.
I don’t read most of them because they are rehashes of old discussions that I have no interest in. I happened to check in on this one by accident I think. I meant to click on something else, but my mouse jumped. (I hate this mouse I have.) But it caught my attention so I responded.
Please show how I've been beating this drum for "years" when it's plain to see I've only been on here for one year. I never see you post anything contsructive about any non calvinist, so please feel free to show a little impartiality. Plenty of screen names with calvinist / reformed roots...so who's obsessed?
Actually, it has been a year and half … but it seems longer than that for some reason.
But what’s with posting something constructive about a non-Calvinist? My posts generally don’t take into account someone’s position on this, unless I am directly addressing the topic. But for the record, my grandmother was a very godly Nazarene who believed she could lose her salvation. If all Christians lived as she did, we would be a better bunch. So there’s something constructive for you about a non-Calvinist. (I don’t think my grandmother would have even know what a Calvinist was.) I think Helen is very solid on issues of creationism. I appreciate what she has said about that topic, even though I vehemently disagree with her soteriology and anthropology; and she disagrees with mine with equal vehemence.
If you say so. You seem to have all the answers. Maybe it is you that doesn't really know the non calvinist position? Naaah...you know everything.
Thanks for your confidence, but I don’t know everything. However, on the topic of Calvinism, I think it is clear that I do know more than you do about what Calvinists believe. And I do know the non-Calvinist position. Try me on it …I probably no more about it than you do. But that’s irrelevant, since I am not making up stuff that non-Calvinists believe and accusing them falsely, which you are doing to Calvinists.
Now you are a mind reader? You don't know me...my thoughts, so please quit pretending that you do. Quit being dishonest.
I know what you say here on the board. If you think something different than you say, then why do you say it? Isn’t that dishonest to think one thing and say another? If you think what you do say, then why do you say I don’t know what you think? That doesn’t make sense either way. If you do say what you think, then you are not telling the truth when you say I don’t know your thoughts. So I hardly think I have been dishonest. If you think I have, then show me where.
Based on what you have said here, we can confidently assert that you don’t show an understanding of Calvinism, and this thread is proof of it. That’s not to say that you don’t understand it. You may, and just not show it here for some reason, though I doubt that to be the case. Calvinists may be wrong. But they don’t believe, in the mainstream, what you accuse them of.
How many threads have you started trying to learn something...or do you already have it all figured out?
I don’t start many threads, mostly for lack of interest and lack of creativity. I have done a fair amount of reading and study and it is extremely rare that I learn anything here on this particular topic, except what an individual believes. Most of what is stated here I have learned from other sources, (which is the curse of study I guess). I have learned a lot about primitive Baptists that I didn’t know, because I haven’t studied them. But I didn’t learn by asking. I didn’t need to. I could learn by reading what they said.
I have never done such a thing. At any rate, false doctrine is false doctrine, so if the "greatest" theologians believe false doctrine, so be it.
You have. False doctrine is false doctrine to be sure. But you have assumed your conclusion. The fact is that Calvinism is based on a very sound exposition of Scripture. In studying both sides, I have concluded that you are incorrect. You have concluded that I am incorrect. That’s fine. But the truth is that you have made false accusations about people lying from the pulpit because you say they don’t preach what they believe. You have said as much in this thread. And if that is not tarring someone’s name, then what is it?
God loves all and hates all? You have talked out of both sides of your mouth in the past, but this is new heights.
Let’s see what Scripture says,
Romans 3:23for
all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Psalm 5:5 The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes;
You hate all who do iniquity.
Can we not assert that God hates all since “all have sinned” and he “hates all who do iniquity”? These two verses together seem to clearly indicate that God hates all because all have sinned. Which verse would you like to declare untrue?
John 3:16"For
God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Can we not assert that God loves all, since he “loves the world.” Certainly you would not define the world as less than “all people,” would you? I wouldn’t.
So can we not assert from Scripture that God hates all and loves all?
The fact that you can’t comprehend this is evidence that you, along with me, are limited by finitude. We cannot understand the infinitude of God. But we can accept what he says without “talking out of both sides of our mouths.”
It's obvious you don't preach what you consider "full" truth, but hide some facets of you beliefs.
First, what do I believe that I don’t preach? What do I hide?
Secondly, how would you know? Have you ever heard me preach? Have you ever listened to any of my sermons, much less enough of them to determine what I preach vs. what you think I believe?
I don’t see anyway you can make the assertion that I don’t preach what I believe to be full truth. Please tell me how you conclude this?
