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Calvinistic trend in the SBC

Dale-c

Active Member
This is a very interesting article.

Study: Recent Grads 3 Times More Likely To Be Calvinists

RIDGECREST, North Carolina, November 27, 2007 - (BP)—-Nearly 30 percent of recent SBC seminary graduates now serving as church pastors identify themselves as Calvinists, according to data presented during the opening session of a conference on Reformed theology and the Southern Baptist Convention.

By contrast in the SBC at large, the number of pastors who affirm the five points of Calvinism is around 10 percent, Ed Stetzer, director of LifeWay Research, said in reporting various findings by LifeWay Research and the North American Mission Board Center for Missional Research.

Such data, Stetzer noted Nov. 26, perhaps gives an indication why a conference such as "Building Bridges: Southern Baptists and Calvinism" is taking place. The three-day gathering, with approximately 550 attendees, is being co-sponsored by Founders Ministries and Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary at LifeWay Ridgecrest Conference Center in North Carolina.

Stetzer's presentation relayed additional information from a 2006 LifeWay Research study combined with 2007 research from NAMB's Center for Missional Research, which surveyed SBC pastors who graduated from SBC seminary master's degree programs between 1998 and 2004.

Stetzer, who also is LifeWay's missiologist in residence, noted that the research showed that among pastors of Southern Baptist churches who are recent SBC seminary graduates, 29 percent indicated they are Calvinists. Stetzer said 27 percent of 1,234 recent seminary graduate respondents serving in SBC church leadership positions "somewhat agree" or "strongly agree" that they are five-point Calvinists, while 67 percent affirmed that God's "grace is irresistible" and 58 percent said they believe "people do not choose to become Christians, God chooses and calls people who respond to him."

The numbers of graduates who affirmed Calvinism rose steadily between students who graduated in 1998 and those who completed their degrees in 2004, Stetzer said. In the last year of the study, 34 percent of those serving in SBC churches identified themselves as five-point Calvinists.

"It would be difficult to say that Calvinism is not a growing influence in SBC life; [it] certainly [is] a growing influence in the graduates of our seminaries," Stetzer said.

NAMB's research complements the Calvinism study that LifeWay Research conducted in 2006, Stetzer noted. The LifeWay study surveyed a cross-section of 413 randomly selected SBC pastors. That study placed the number of pastors who affirm the five points of Calvinism in the SBC at around 10 percent.

NAMB's survey, however, sought to examine recent seminary graduates only, many of whom likely would be younger than the pastors that the LifeWay study canvassed, Stetzer pointed out.

With regard to Calvinism and the SBC, Stetzer said NAMB's research also demonstrated that:

-- Churches pastored by Calvinists tend to have smaller attendance and typically baptize fewer persons each year. Stetzer cautioned the attendees to be careful in their speculations, explaining that this study did not look at "why." However, he pointed out that recent graduates who are Calvinists do pastor smaller churches that baptize fewer people.

-- Calvinistic churches, though they baptize fewer persons each year, have a "baptism rate" virtually identical to that of non-Calvinistic churches. Baptism rate is the number of annual baptisms relative to total membership, a statistic used to measure evangelistic vitality.

-- Both Calvinistic and non-Calvinistic churches believe that local congregations should be involved in sponsoring missions and planting new churches. The study showed 95 percent of both types of Southern Baptists affirmed the necessity of missions and church planting.

-- Calvinistic recent graduates report that they conduct personal evangelism at a slightly higher rate than their non-Calvinistic peers.

The bottom line, Stetzer said, is that Calvinistic churches compose a minority of congregations in the SBC, but their numbers are steadily growing, particularly as recent seminary graduates take the reins of leadership.

Referring to recent graduates, Stetzer explained, "The percentages tick up each year and if they continue to increase, then obviously the percentage of Calvinists in our churches and church leadership will continue to increase as well.

"Calvinism is on the rise among the most recent seminary graduates. If present trends continue, Calvinism will continue to grow as an influence in our convention."

Stetzer encouraged both Calvinists and non-Calvinists to ratchet up their efforts to proclaim the Gospel to North America.

"Regardless of whether Calvinists are having a lower number of baptisms and a smaller attendance or baptizing the same in the baptism rate, the reality is none of these baptism rates or growth numbers should make any of us happy," Stetzer said.

"At the end of the day, Calvinists and non-Calvinists alike in our churches are failing to engage lostness in North America. This theological discussion has to lead to missional action and that missional action needs to cause Calvinists and non-Calvinists alike to love each other and to encourage each other and to provoke one another on to love and good deeds."

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By Jeff Robinson - Jeff Robinson, director of news and information at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, is one of the writers covering the "Building Bridges: Southern Baptists and Calvinism" conference. Audio podcast downloads of all the presenters are available at www.lifeway.com/insidelifeway. PowerPoint slides of Ed Stetzer's presentation are available at his weblog, EdStetzer.com.

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preachinjesus

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Good research. I'm a big tent SBC guy. Just part of the territory. Let 'em be faithful in their ministries, give to the CP, and send out the called into ministry and missions. Let's work together for the Kingdom! :D

Wait about ten years and survey again, probably will have retreated a bit. This is the ebb and flow of theological perspectives in denominational life. :)
 

Dr. Bob

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We are reformed Baptists (the independent version of Founders of the SBC) and find great joy in the exponential growth of calvinistic preaching in the SBC.

It is the RETURN of the SBC to its roots.
 

kmichael

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Dr. Bob said:
We are reformed Baptists (the independent version of Founders of the SBC) and find great joy in the exponential growth of calvinistic preaching in the SBC.


Amen Doc! I am a "Narrow Tent" SBC'er. And credit Founders Ministries for their influence in the Midwest. I have not always been a Calvinist, but am the product prayer, study, and an SBC affiliated university.

As I see it, we have three camps:
· Calvinistic/Reformed Conservatives.
· Non-Calvinist/charismatic/Postmodern/Emerging.
· Those who haven't a clue, nor care to have one.

The third group is not regenerate, and the second group is the most dangerous. The second think the first hate the third and the third definitely hate the first. The second are the reason for the third and eventually the first will win over the second. Those in the SBC who desire a "Wider Tent" will be forced out to either joint the evil Cooperative Baptist Fellowship or some watered down interdenominational "Jesus Loves You" Church.

K
 
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Allan

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kmichael said:

As I see it, we have three camps:
· Calvinistic/Reformed Conservatives.
· Non-Calvinist/charismatic/Postmodern/Emerging.
· Those who haven't a clue, nor care to have one.
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K
A perfect example of the misinformed or willfully ignorant.
 
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Allan

Active Member
Dr. Bob said:
We are reformed Baptists (the independent version of Founders of the SBC) and find great joy in the exponential growth of calvinistic preaching in the SBC.

It is the RETURN of the SBC to its roots.
It's roots have ALWAYS been the working of both Cal and Non-Cals together.

The SBC was NEVER a soley Calvinistic organization.
 

Allan

Active Member
Why did I say misinformed or willfully ignorant? Was I just be antagonistic and mean? No, because either they choose not to know what is out there or they believe only what they are told.

Are the Non-Cals the only ones who have Charismatics in their ranks as baptists?
No!
Here is an Association of Charismatic Reformed Churches:
http://www.charismaticreformed.org/
or here is blog spot:
http://21stcenturyreformation.blogspot.com/2005/11/charismatic-reformed-position-and.html
Or this Church in Tyler TX:
http://www.christchapelchurch.org/

These are just a FEW examples of the many Reformed Churches that are going into full fledge Charismatisism. Does this mean a large majority are Charismatics? No, but it is taking root and growing in the ranks of the Reformed.

Or even Emerging Reformed Churches such as emerging Lutheran churches, the Acts 29 Network, or leaders like Mark Driscoll (Mars Hill) and others like Bob Robinson, and Dwight Friesen - again just to name a few!
 

Tom Bryant

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I am a narrow tent SBC. But Calvinists and non-Calvinists have always been inside that tent together.

btw, the idea of grouping non-Calvinists with charismatics/post-modern and emergent is just silly. It is the kind of stereotyping that doesn't help at all!
 

Dale-c

Active Member
We are reformed Baptists (the independent version of Founders of the SBC) and find great joy in the exponential growth of calvinistic preaching in the SBC.

It is the RETURN of the SBC to its roots.
Dr. Bob, are you familiar with the Association of Reformed Baptist Churches?
They are much more independent than the SBC as I understand it but there are actually churches that have dual membership.
 

Dale-c

Active Member
btw, the idea of grouping non-Calvinists with charismatics/post-modern and emergent is just silly. It is the kind of stereotyping that doesn't help at all!
I do agree with this statement.
 

dan e.

New Member
kmichael said:
The third group is not regenerate, and the second group is the most dangerous. The second think the first hate the third and the third definitely hate the first. The second are the reason for the third and eventually the first will win over the second. Those in the SBC who desire a "Wider Tent" will be forced out to either joint the evil Cooperative Baptist Fellowship or some watered down interdenominational "Jesus Loves You" Church.

K

Wow....how long did it take you to sort all of that out?

Oh yeah, you don't go to a church that thinks Jesus loves you?
 

kmichael

New Member
Allan said:
kmichael said:
A perfect example of the misinformed or willfully ignorant.

I am offended by this comment and would ask the mods to slap this person on the hand!

:saint:

This is a sure sign that your lapsarian position has become an idol in your life such that you will resort to calling other who have different opinions bad names.

My post was obviously painting with a broad brush. There are always exceptions.. Nothing can be placed in 3 simple categories. But this IS an excellent breakdown of the generalities. the Arminian position places too much emphasis on the will and person of man, and not on the sovereignty of God. This leads to a fulfillment of "self." This leads to being an ecclesiology void of focus and direction. It leads to an overwhelming desire for growth in numbers and lacks true sanctification.

K
 

2 Timothy2:1-4

New Member
The "roots" of the SBC are particular and general baptists together. It is a misrepresentation to say otherwise. And we should be able to walk together.

Also you will find many of the Emerging Church folks are reformed. In fact it is most likely the larger portion of them.
 

kmichael

New Member
It is true that the SBC has traditionally included both Calvinistic and Arminian theologies, as well as hybrids (Arminists and Calminians).

It is also true that I do not propose narrowing the SBC tent to exclude Arminians. I do however believe we must exclude those who ordain women, homosexuals, and dogs. And those who practice speaking in tongues and healing/faith ministries. I believe in church autonomy, but I do not believe a church can do the above things and be aligned with the SBC. That is just logical.


Now, just an fyi, Mark Driscoll does not consider himself "emergent/ing" and he is in fact quite reformed in his theology.

It is also true that the "Calvinist/Reformed" umbrella encompasses a wide range of theology. The Emergent Brand is NOT Reformed by any means. Those individuals who affirm the " 5 points" typically do so in the context of universalism.


k
 

kmichael

New Member
StefanM said:
Kmichael, does your hyperbolic vitriol ever cease?

Please be specific. Nothing above was an exageration. (except the comment about ordaining dogs) :laugh:

Nor was any of the above abusive. It is a crime now to declare an opinion?
 
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webdog

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kmichael said:
Please be specific. Nothing above was an exageration. (except the comment about ordaining dogs) :laugh:

Nor was any of the above abusive. It is a crime now to declare an opinion?

POO!
Accusing a fellow BB member of idolatry is normal behavior for you? Wow.
 
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