Just wondering if one of the points past 5 would be Perpetual virginity of Mary?
Calvin did believe this so maybe it should be TULIPP.
Calvin did believe this so maybe it should be TULIPP.
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Calvinists- How many points?
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actually, it's the other way around. there was a time when the majority of Baptists here in these United States all held God Sovereign over all things, including their souls.
Then the disease of humanism, disguised in theological cloaks, came in.
In the words of the Lord: "An enemy hath done this........"
So, the Lord got to work, and your germs and infections are currently being halted.
I hope you get healed, too.
I believe in whosoever will and I believe in election. Chew on that one for a while.
"whosoever will" means anyone that believes will be saved. No Calvinist(except for a few hypers, but I wouldn't really call them Calvinist) would say that one could believe, yet because he isn't one of the chosen he wouldn't be saved. Election isn't a limiter.
Just because the doctrine is called Calvinism, doesn't mean that we follow someone named John Calvin. I've never read Calvin.
The 5 points were 5 responses to Arminian theology. They come from the Canons of Dort in the early 1600's. Calvin of course died in 1564, so he didn't come up with the 5 points.
David Lamb
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I chose "All 5 Points" as my answer. However, I need to qualify that by saying that some people on the BB seem to apply a completely different meaning to those 5 than that which I, and as far as I know, all Calvinists, do. I'll say straight away that I don't mean any disrespect or rudeness to anyone in saying that. Let me give you two examples of the sort of thing I mean.
Limited Atonement: Several times I have seen people say that this means Calvinist believe only as few will be saved. I don't believe that, because the bible tells me that in heaven there will be a multitude, which no man can number.
Irresistable Grace: I have seen it said that this means God forces people to become Christians, as if once they have been converted, they spend the rest of their lives saying to themselves, "Well, I am a Christian, but I wish I wasn't. Why did God have to press gang me into becoming one?
Limited Atonement: Several times I have seen people say that this means Calvinist believe only as few will be saved. I don't believe that, because the bible tells me that in heaven there will be a multitude, which no man can number.
Irresistable Grace: I have seen it said that this means God forces people to become Christians, as if once they have been converted, they spend the rest of their lives saying to themselves, "Well, I am a Christian, but I wish I wasn't. Why did God have to press gang me into becoming one?
The preaching of the cross does seem to be foolishness to many.
You do not know what you do not know.
If you understood calvinism you would understand that only those chosen will believe.Like the bible teaches.
Calvinism looks to the bible,not calvin.
David,
You are correct once again. I suspect you are one who actually reads his bible,rather than one who says"my bible says"......then go on to speak of some ungodly philosophy in place of biblical teaching.
THAT is where Calvinism goes away from being Biblical, to me. Yet that is what they would have you believe, because I've heard them say that to my face.
I have heard it too, but thats only from an extreme hyper Calvinists.(may times young people reading books and not the Bible) Read something like the canons of dort and see if anything is mentioned about people believing but can't be saved because they are not elect. Here is another good thing to understand what Calvinists believe. Not trying to show you that you should believe it, but for you to understand what we do believe. http://www.oldtruth.com/calvinism/avoidingconfusion.html
Your whole confusion stems from your mindset that your faith and believing has something to do with your getting to heaven which is the only event you associate with the word "saved".
Hey, non calvinists know where we stand. We don't pretend to be calvinistsNow, I wouldn't call non-Calvinists confused...
saturneptune
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I think you two points are very insightful. I agree in general with the five points mentioned. I have two problems with Calvinism. If there is no other name to call the five points than Calvinism, considering some of his other beliefs and some of his actions while alive, I had just as soon as they be called Doctrines of God's sovreignty. Surely there was someone in 2000 years better to name it after. Also, I depart from this doctrine when missions, evangelism, or visitation are left out. Faith comes by hearing.......
So that's what you think of brothers and sisters in Christ? Sad.
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no sadder than "brothers and sisters in Christ" who think Calvinists and those who adhere to the Doctrine of Grace carry dangerous infections into the "body of Christ".
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