Calvinists vs Armenians: A Challenging--But Senseless--Debate

[JonC]

It isn't God's fault men do not respond.
MB

Revmitchell made a good point about being honest in dialogue. Far too often people debate what is not being debated. No one thus far has claimed that it is God's fault that men do not respond. What you are arguing against is against is the position that it is a work of God that men do respond.

 

[Revmitchell]

You always try to make what I say into something that was never intended. I never said anything about being smarter or more spiritual.
MB

To be fair to T he did end those with question marks. It seems to me he was simply trying to get clarification on what he thought you said. He was not asserting that it was right.

 

[Revmitchell]

Exactly. Something you do. IE, works.

Please show me in scripture that responding is defined as works with regard to salvation.

 

[TCassidy]

respond

Verb. Action. Something you do. Every English dictionary on the planet.

 

[TCassidy]

You are so set on works it's all you think about. Every thing has become work to you. You're wrong and cannot prove what is work or isn't
MB

A verb. You understand that a verb is a word describing an action, something you do, right?

 

[Revmitchell]

Verb. Action. Something you do. Every English dictionary on the planet.

Ok you quoted me out of context and then failed to answer what I said. Show me in scripture that a response from man is considered a work with regard to salvation.

 

[TCassidy]

When you share the Gospel you don't ask the person to respond?

Sure. And the elect will respond (eventually) and the non-elect won't. I don't know who is elect and who is not so I preach the same Gospel to everyone.

 

[TCassidy]

Ok you quoted me out of context and then failed to answer what I said. Show me in scripture that a response from man is considered a work with regard to salvation.

Show me from the scriptures where we are required to respond.

 

[MB]

Verb. Action. Something you do. Every English dictionary on the planet.

There are no dictionaries from 2000 years ago and this is what you'd need to prove your theory. The English language has changed so dramatically since then. It would be hard to understand it today. It's the same with Greek
MB

 

[Revmitchell]

Show me from the scriptures where we are required to respond.

sigh, I don't know how else to take this except you cannot show me from scripture that response to God in salvation biblically is considered a work. What we are talking about here is that your assertion that if man must respond it is a work is in error. Scripture never suggests such an idea. I just figured if you were going to assert it you could defend it.

As far as your divergent request is concerned Romans 10:9-10, Acts 2:38; 3:19; 17:30

 

[MB]

Show me from the scriptures where we are required to respond.

Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Believing is a reponse.
Mat_9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Answering a call is a response. Want more?
MB

 

[MB]

Show me from the scriptures where we are required to respond.

Act_2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
MB.

 

[Yeshua1]

Show me from the scriptures where we are required to respond.

IF you accept Jesus by faith, and believe in yor heart God raied Him from the dead, ad confess with your mouth He is the Lord, you are saved...

Faith is the gift of God towards His elect, but they still need to accept Jesus then!

 

[MB]

IF you accept Jesus by faith, and believe in yor heart God raied Him from the dead, ad confess with your mouth He is the Lord, you are saved...

Faith is the gift of God towards His elect, but they still need to accept Jesus then!

A men Brother.
MB

 

[JonShaff]

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Sounds like a call to respond to me.

 

[Revmitchell]

IF you accept Jesus by faith, and believe in yor heart God raied Him from the dead, ad confess with your mouth He is the Lord, you are saved...

Faith is the gift of God towards His elect, but they still need to accept Jesus then!

Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

 

[Yeshua1]

Show me from the scriptures where we are required to respond.

Do you then see us saved before faith in Jesus?

 

[JonShaff]

I dunno...pretty clear here I thought...

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

 

[TCassidy]

I dunno...pretty clear here I thought...

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Yes, they resist. That is something they do. And not resisting is something they do.

So, we know they resisted. But where are they commanded to respond?

 

[TCassidy]

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Sounds like a call to respond to me.

Yes. Repent and believe. Both works. And both the result of regeneration, not the other way around.