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Can an unsaved person lead others to Jesus?

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Ready to Harvest

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The Andersonite crowd holds this "soulwinner salvation" as one of their distinctives, it seems. Anderson says that it takes three to get someone saved: God, the soulwinner, and the person themself. He also says that people cannot get saved from reading the Bible, because they must have a soulwinner involved. Also the Bible must be KJV or they cannot get saved.

I'm not kidding: Soulwinner Salvation – NewIFB.info
 
SovereignGrace

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Ready to Harvest said:
The Andersonite crowd holds this "soulwinner salvation" as one of their distinctives, it seems. Anderson says that it takes three to get someone saved: God, the soulwinner, and the person themself. He also says that people cannot get saved from reading the Bible, because they must have a soulwinner involved. Also the Bible must be KJV or they cannot get saved.

I'm not kidding: Soulwinner Salvation – NewIFB.info
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Steve Anderson is a nut.


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I mean, come on, this looks totally normal to me! :rolleyes::Cautious:rolleyes::Cautious
 
TCassidy

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That pulpit looks like he built it in his garage. Tacky preaching from a tacky pulpit?
 
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Marooncat79

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Wasnt it Benjamin Keach Jr that pastored for a while and was the comverted under his own preaching?

I remember it was a Junior with his father being a well known Baptist pastor as well

Correction. It was Elias Keach
 
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Kierk

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Ready to Harvest said:
The Andersonite crowd holds this "soulwinner salvation" as one of their distinctives, it seems. Anderson says that it takes three to get someone saved: God, the soulwinner, and the person themself. He also says that people cannot get saved from reading the Bible, because they must have a soulwinner involved. Also the Bible must be KJV or they cannot get saved.

I'm not kidding: Soulwinner Salvation – NewIFB.info
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My understanding is they are basing most of it off Matthew 7:15-20:

15. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.​

Which seems like they are reading way too much into it, since it starts off specifically talking about false prophets. False prophets twist and change doctrine (Duet 18:20, 2 Peter 2:1, Romans 16:18), so they would definitely be unable to lead anyone to Jesus. But an unrighteous preacher reading from a KJV Bible is not really the source of the teaching, it ultimately comes from Christ.

The other problem with this way of thinking is that almost nothing can be used to spread the Gospel if it must pass an arbitrary purity test. What if the printing press of the Bible used is run by atheists, does that mean it can never save anyone? That's where the weirdness of needing an already saved person to be present comes in, or it would be inconsistent.
 
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MB

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robycop3 said:
I knew a man who went from a drunk & fornicator to preacher, & he delivered powerful sermons who led dozens to Christ. Then, he slipped back into his old sins, adding dope and theft to them. unfortunately, he died in that state, dying the "rock star death" of washing down too many pills with too much moonshine.

Now, several people claimed he was never saved anyway, and he had no 'faith' to lose, but I heard him preach on several occasions, and his sermons were straight from the Bible and very-powerful, & I found it hard to believe an unsaved person could preach with such power.

After studying s'more history, etc. I came to believe GOD can use anyone for anything, so the real argument is whether that man was saved or not. But I believe the HOLY SPIRIT led him in his preaching, However, I fear for his soul, as he died at a party & had no time for any "deathbed confession". And even if he was unsaved himself he did lead many to Christ.

OTHER READERS' opinions, please?
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It's nice to know none of us have the right to judge others. Even though many of us do anyway. I believe that if a man believes in Christ the gift has already been given. Eternal life is eternal. I also believe that Christ died for all of our sins,past,present,and future. No one is without SIN. No one lives a perfect Christian Life. We all still have two natures and we all still sin.

A man"s work is not necessary for Salvation Romans 4:5 because his faith still counts for righteousness. There are rewards for our works although works have nothing to do with Salvation.

Living a Christian life has nothing to do with Salvation either. Living a Christian life is hard to do none of us do it perfectly. It really is hard work.
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