can God Override the Human will if He So Chose?

[marke]

Guess the peanut gallery is speaking... :laugh:

I don't know. If it is it might just be singing, "...silently, ever so silently...". Just kidding. Some of my best friends don't agree with me about this or that and I still love them dearly (seriously). They will get straightened out in the end (just kidding again).

I better get off this coaster before I roll over something that might hurt (seriously, again.)

Thanks for the post.

 

[Skandelon]

Thats not overriding his will, its putting a circumstance before him where his will changed.

Exactly! :thumbsup:

I can't understand why God didn't just effectually regenerate Paul's will so that he would have a new will and become an apostle. I wonder why God used a big fish to change Jonah's will, I mean, doesn't he have control over their hearts via 'effectual' regeneration? I know, I know, God uses means, but what exactly are those 'means' accomplishing that is not accomplished by regeneration? And what purpose do they serve?

 

[quantumfaith]

Guess the peanut gallery is speaking... :laugh:

They are really good, boiled, parched, and my favorite, inside an M&M.

 

[glfredrick]

They are really good, boiled, parched, and my favorite, inside an M&M.

There is no such thing as a "good" "baalled paynut". :laugh:

I'm from up nort' where peanuts are served properly roasted with salt. (and most of the time with a good beer). :wavey:

 

[quantumfaith]

There is no such thing as a "good" "baalled paynut". :laugh:

I'm from up nort' where peanuts are served properly roasted with salt. (and most of the time with a good beer). :wavey:

Well come down to the south, I will treat you to some green boiled peanuts and your favorite brew, and we will leave the theology topic alone and "fellowship". BTW, Bass Ale, Guinness, Carlsberg and Killians Red are my favorites.

 

[webdog]

Well come down to the south, I will treat you to some green boiled peanuts and your favorite brew, and we will leave the theology topic alone and "fellowship". BTW, Bass Ale, Guinness, Carlsberg and Killians Red are my favorites.

I'll bring a case of Yuengling and Great Lakes Brewing Co. Christmas Ale

 

[InTheLight]

Exactly! :thumbsup:

I can't understand why God didn't just effectually regenerate Paul's will so that he would have a new will and become an apostle. I wonder why God used a big fish to change Jonah's will, I mean, doesn't he have control over their hearts via 'effectual' regeneration? I know, I know, God uses means, but what exactly are those 'means' accomplishing that is not accomplished by regeneration? And what purpose do they serve?

I don't know the answer so I will resort to the oft-used Calvinist saw, "it's a mystery we can't understand, deal with it."

 

[quantumfaith]

I'll bring a case of Yuengling and Great Lakes Brewing Co. Christmas Ale

I like Yuengling too.

 

[JesusFan]

Exactly! :thumbsup:

I can't understand why God didn't just effectually regenerate Paul's will so that he would have a new will and become an apostle. I wonder why God used a big fish to change Jonah's will, I mean, doesn't he have control over their hearts via 'effectual' regeneration? I know, I know, God uses means, but what exactly are those 'means' accomplishing that is not accomplished by regeneration? And what purpose do they serve?

Did paul have the free will to have said no to becoming the Apostle paul, as that God and Jesus had predestined him to become Apostle unto the Gentiles by divine election, or not?

 

[freeatlast]

In order say to have history move in the direction that He has willed to come to pass?

"can God Override the Human will if He So Chose"

You are asking the wrong question. It should be "does God" not "can God".

 

[JesusFan]

"can God Override the Human will if He So Chose"

You are asking the wrong question. It should be "does God" not "can God".

As you are fond to say, yes!

 

[Skandelon]

Did paul have the free will to have said no to becoming the Apostle paul, as that God and Jesus had predestined him to become Apostle unto the Gentiles by divine election, or not?

Yes, I believe he 'could' have said no, but who would given those overwhelming circumstances. It would be like Jonah not being convinced by spending 3 days in a fish...just not real likely. God will go to whatever lengths necessary to ensure the delivery of his divinely appointed message.

 

[glfredrick]

Yes, I believe he 'could' have said no, but who would given those overwhelming circumstances. It would be like Jonah not being convinced by spending 3 days in a fish...just not real likely. God will go to whatever lengths necessary to ensure the delivery of his divinely appointed message.

Thanks (Balaam), and yes, exactly.

 

[Skandelon]

Thanks (Balaam), and yes, exactly.

But, proof that God uses overwhelmingly convincing circumstances to ensure his message of redemption is delivered is any thing but proof that God uses secret inward irresistible working to ensure certain pre-selected individuals believe their message.

In fact, it makes little since for God to use 'normative' (outward) circumstances as means to provoke the wills of the his chosen messengers only to use an irresistible, inward, regenerative work to change the wills of certain individuals in their audience.

- Hee Haw