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Can I Learn To Love (Or At Least Like) St. Paul?

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quantumfaith

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Yeshua1 said:
you mean life james Dunn and NT Wright, who have their crusade to tell us that we have misunderstand and misinterpreted pauline theology all these yeras, especially the views of the reformers had about him?
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Yep, I really enjoy reading NT Wright. Another great thinker, who yes "thinks for himself" :) Don't know for certain though, I have never encountered him "wondering if he could learn to love Paul". But I am thankful for his scholarship, yes even though I am not in the same theological box as he is.
 
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Revmitchell

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Yeshua1 said:
you mean life james Dunn and NT Wright, who have their crusade to tell us that we have misunderstand and misinterpreted pauline theology all these yeras, especially the views of the reformers had about him?
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Yep that kind of liberalism
 
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OldRegular

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Crabtownboy said:
I know the author of the blog. Actually he reads all sides and thinks for himself.

Also Paul is not God. Having a problem with some of Paul's writings is not having a problem with God. It is hard to reconcile some of Paul's words with the teachings of Christ. Paul often reflects the thinking of his culture, such as on slavery, and that causes modern folk problems with him.
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Apparently you do not believe in the inspiration of Scripture. I would be interested in knowing, and I am sure others would also, just what criteria do you use in determining which Scripture is inspired and which is not! Just what did Paul write that conflicts with what Jesus Christ said? What criteria do you use to determine what are the Words of Jesus Christ? I want to know if "Saved by Grace and Justified by Faith" are inspired or are they figments of Paul's imagination?

The following is beyond sick for a professing Christian!

I am not a fan of the Apostle Paul. If you know me at all, this is not suprising news. The ways in which Paul's writings have been used (some would say-and I might agree-misused) to attack women, gays, inter-racial marriage and the disenfranchized has turned my stomach on more than one occasion. I remember listening to a woman minister of color talking about how her grandmother (who had been a slave) would not let her read to her from Paul because those were the scriptures 'that the white man preached to us every Sunday.' Using scripture to enforce oppression runs against everything that I believe about the work of God in the world. The bitter taste Paul's writing left in my mouth that was just too much.
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I never heard of the person you reference and who wrote the above but I question his relationship with God!
 
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OldRegular

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quantumfaith said:
Yep, I really enjoy reading NT Wright. Another great thinker, who yes "thinks for himself" :) Don't know for certain though, I have never encountered him "wondering if he could learn to love Paul". But I am thankful for his scholarship, yes even though I am not in the same theological box as he is.
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Don't know that I have heard of NT Wright but the problem with some "Scholars" is they believe they are smarter than God. Bishop Pile comes to mind. I believe he died looking for the Historical Jesus in Israel!
 
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OldRegular

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preacher4truth said:
Yes. And CTB is praising the author for 'thinking for himself' or for humanism. Scripture rebuts this -- There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

What the author is really having is trouble loving the Lord and the Word of God, and a brother in Paul. All of that is telltale isn't it?
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That passage came to mind while reading your first sentence. This person, and many others, would do well to seriously consider that passage. There is much in Scripture I cannot claim to understand but what I cannot understand I still accept and love as the Word of God. I also agree with your question about the man's relationship with God.
 
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preacher4truth

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OldRegular said:
Don't know that I have heard of NT Wright but the problem with some "Ssholars" is they believe they are smarter than God. Bishop Pile comes to mind. I believe he died looking for the Historical Jesus in Israel!
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Wright made a statement that the church has had salvation wrong for 2000 years. He's come to straighten all that out. :sleep:
 
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Revmitchell

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OldRegular said:
Apparently you do not believe in the inspiration of Scripture. I would be interested in knowing, and I am sure others would also, just what criteria do you use in determining which Scripture is inspired and which is not! Just what did Paul write that conflicts with what Jesus Christ said? What criteria do you use to determine what are the Words of Jesus Christ? I want to know if "Saved by Grace and Justified by Faith" are inspired or are they figments of Paul's imagination?

The following is beyond sick for a professing Christian!



I never heard of the person you reference and who wrote the above but I question his relationship with God!
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I have had many conversations with him over the years on this issue. He takes Jesus words, interprets them through the lens of liberalism (which is wrong) and then agrees or disagrees with the rest of the Bible through that lens. But he place personal experience over scripture anyway.
 
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Stegley

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Crabtownboy said:
From the UncommonBaptistPreacher blog

http://uncommonbaptistpastor.blogspot.com/
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Lol. What you are doing here is setting yourself up for every patronizing and condescending Church person in here to unload upon your needy heart all of their milque toast aphorisms. They live for questions like the one you just asked.

Ask them if they follow Jesus, that is, do they obey His Commands. Ask them if they can even remember what half of His Commands are. But be careful when you do. They do not like to depart from their prepared and scripted "answers," and from their spiritual comfort zones where they think they are "resting in Jesus."
 
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Yeshua1

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preacher4truth said:
Both, he's on the out with us, and we're on the out with him for not believing his nonsense. But, you know, at least he's humble in realizing everyone else had it wrong until he came along. :laugh:
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Well, he claims that the church has misunderstood pauline theology of justification, so what Calvin, Luther, andall the rest of the reformers, and men like like Spurgeon, McAthur, et all, he has come to starighten out!
 
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OldRegular

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Yeshua1 said:
Well, he claims that the church has misunderstood pauline theology of justification, so what Calvin, Luther, andall the rest of the reformers, and men like like Spurgeon, McAthur, et all, he has come to starighten out!
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It is obvious that the carries a huge burden of "humility"!
 
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OldRegular

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Many years ago I read a very good book by Clark H. Pinnock, "The Scripture Principle". He states in the Preface:
My second aim in the book is to speak out, in the context of the crisis of the Scripture principle, in defense of the full authority and trustworthiness of the Bible
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Shortly after Pinnock wrote The Scripture Principle he began teaching at the New Orleans Baptist Seminary.

Writing in Christianity Today,http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/augustweb-only/43-22.0.html, of Pinnock's death in 2010 Doug Koop states:
From biblical inerrancy to open theism, the systematic theologian was not afraid to change his mind.
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Koop writes further about the career of Pinnock:
Pinnock came to the United States in 1965 and taught at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, where he became an influential figure in the Southern Baptist Convention's battles over biblical inerrancy. From 1969-1974 he taught at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Deerfield, Illinois, and from 1974-1977 at Regent College in Vancouver, British Columbia.
He arrived at McMaster in 1977 with great hopes of becoming an agent of biblical renewal in what he described as a "comfortable mainline seminary." In his inaugural lecture, he said that evangelical theology must be both conservative and contemporary. "We should strive to be faithful to historic Christian belief taught in Scripture, and at the same time be authentic and responsible to contemporary hearers."
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So what happened to Pinnock that he went from a proponent of the Inerrancy of Scripture to Open Theism? The Roman governor said of the Apostle Paul: Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.[Acts 26:24]

I said in an earlier post that some "Scholars" apparently get the idea that they are smarter than God and referenced the demise of Bishop Pike. Though the Apostle Paul was a man of great learning his writings in Scripture are the Words of God. But are the "Scholors", N. T. Wright and Clark H. Pinnock, like Bishop Pike?
 
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Yeshua1

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OldRegular said:
Many years ago I read a very good book by Clark H. Pinnock, "The Scripture Principle". He states in the Preface:

Shortly after Pinnock wrote The Scripture Principle he began teaching at the New Orleans Baptist Seminary.

Writing in Christianity Today,http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/augustweb-only/43-22.0.html, of Pinnock's death in 2010 Doug Koop states: Koop writes further about the career of Pinnock:


So what happened to Pinnock that he went from a proponent of the Inerrancy of Scripture to Open Theism? The Roman governor said of the Apostle Paul: Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.[Acts 26:24]

I said in an earlier post that some "Scholars" apparently get the idea that they are smarter than God and referenced the demise of Bishop Pike. Though the Apostle Paul was a man of great learning his writings in Scripture are the Words of God. But are the "Scholors", N. T. Wright and Clark H. Pinnock, like Bishop Pike?
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Didn't Clark move from inerrancy, to limited view, to full blown Open theism, and even that salvation could be found in other world religions, not just in jesus and biblcal christianity?

Another smart mind was karl barth, who seemed to come right up to universalism, but shied away...

And Rudoplh Bultmann was expert in linguistics/theology, could tell you in German and greek what paul and John said about jesus, but did not believe in what they said!

maybe can be to smart for ones own good!
 
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