can the Elect Even harden their hearts And Be Lost?

[Van]

Answering the Question

According to the false doctrine of Total Spiritual Inability, all the lost have no receptivity in the heart to harden, it is already hardened from conception. So right off we know the Calvinists will say Paul did not really mean what he said.

But if you study the verses that address loss of ability, and there are lots of them, you see that the lost have limited spiritual ability and can lose it, which yet again demonstrates the T of the TULIP is false doctrine.

Several posters have said Paul wrote Hebrews 3:12 Questionable at best, misinformation at worst.

Anyway, what was the idea? How can we see to it that none of us (professing believers) has a sinful unbelieving heart? The church has wheat and tares, folks who have been born anew, and folks whose faith God has yet to accept. What are we supposed to do help those we fellowship with? We are to set an example of integrity and candor, eschewing deceitfulness, such that we continue to grow and those we influence will continue to be cultivated such that their faith grows in their heart as opposed to lip service profession.

Bottom line, the lost which includes professing tares, can continue in the deceitfulness of sin and harden their hearts, or we can provide witness that we are "all in" for Christ and help them grow in heart-felt faith.

 

[Iconoclast]

actually, DO think this is valid to discuss!


It is not valid...Hebrews is addressed to professing christians
,not every professed christian is elect.



was asked why would the elect be warned against not hardening their hearts and thus miss getting saved, IF they will all come to Christ any ways?

Was paul addressing the elect or not in that passage?

The warning is against apostasy...the warning goes to all who profess faith.

answer my two questions.....you will get closer to the truth.
._____ Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, he is pleased in his appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God; taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.
( Romans 8:30; Romans 11:7; Ephesians 1:10, 11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 14; Ephesians 2:1-6; Acts 26:18; Ephesians 1:17, 18; Ezekiel 36:26; Deuteronomy 30:6; Ezekiel 36:27; Ephesians 1:19; Psalm 110:3; Song of Solomon 1:4 )
2._____ This effectual call is of God's free and special grace alone, not from anything at all foreseen in man, nor from any power or agency in the creature, being wholly passive therein, being dead in sins and trespasses, until being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit; he is thereby enabled to answer this call, and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it, and that by no less power than that which raised up Christ from the dead.
( 2 Timothy 1:9; Ephesians 2:8; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 2:5; John 5:25; Ephesians 1:19, 20 )

 

[Aaron]

Bravo Brother Arron....right to the heart of the matter:thumbs:

(Takes a bow) Thank you very much. :godisgood:

 

[jbh28]

that would hurt.... And be really messy!

LOL, yes it would. I think I'll say at ground level.