Can wicked rulers be allied with you, those who frame injustice by statute?

[JonC]

Can wicked rulers be allied with you, those who frame injustice by statute?


The Almighty—we cannot find him; he is great in power; justice and abundant righteousness he will not violate.

For the Lord is a God of justice; blessed are all those who wait for him.


Stay far away from a false accusation. Do not kill the innocent and the just, because I will not justify the guilty.

He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the LORD.

weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you ...You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.

Can wicked rulers be allied with you, those who frame injustice by statute? They band together against the life of the righteous and condemn the innocent to death.

Whoever says to the wicked, “You are in the right,” will be cursed by peoples, abhorred by nations,

For the Lord loves the Just and will not abandon the Righteous.

 

[Ascetic X]

Can wicked rulers be allied with you, those who frame injustice by statute?


The Almighty—we cannot find him; he is great in power; justice and abundant righteousness he will not violate.

For the Lord is a God of justice; blessed are all those who wait for him.


Stay far away from a false accusation. Do not kill the innocent and the just, because I will not justify the guilty.

He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the LORD.

weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you ...You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.

Can wicked rulers be allied with you, those who frame injustice by statute? They band together against the life of the righteous and condemn the innocent to death.

Whoever says to the wicked, “You are in the right,” will be cursed by peoples, abhorred by nations,

For the Lord loves the Just and will not abandon the Righteous.

I wish you would provide chapter and verse references to scriptures quoted.

I do not understand the point of this post.

 

[JonC]

I wish you would provide chapter and verse references to scriptures quoted.

I do not understand the point of this post.

I almost added the chapters and verses, but figured since they are not a part of Scripture (they were added tools) and I tend to get lazy I wouldn't. Mostly it was the lazy part.

The point of the post is we cannot frame injustice by statute. It deals with our ideas of justice (true justice cannot violate divine justice). When we devop ideas and theories concerning justice we have to stick with the words of God lest we stray from "the faith once delivered".



Scripture defines justice (there is only one true justice).

God's justice and abundant righteousness he will not violate. For the Lord is a God of justice.

We should stay far away from a false accusation.

To kill the innocent and the just is evil (opposed to God) and God will not justify the guilty.

He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the LORD.

The wicked should weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on them, for they have condemned and murdered the innocent one.

Evil leaders band together against the life of the righteous and condemn the innocent to death.

Whoever says to the wicked, “You are in the right,” will be cursed by peoples, abhorred by nations. For the Lord loves the Just and will not abandon the Righteous.

 

[JonC]

Forgot this one -

It is not good to punish the innocent

 

[Ascetic X]

I almost added the chapters and verses, but figured since they are not a part of Scripture (they were added tools) and I tend to get lazy I wouldn't. Mostly it was the lazy part.

The point of the post is we cannot frame injustice by statute. It deals with our ideas of justice (true justice cannot violate divine justice). When we devop ideas and theories concerning justice we have to stick with the words of God lest we stray from "the faith once delivered".

Scripture defines justice (there is only one true justice).

Thank you for the explanation.

 

[Deacon]

Perhaps there's some wiggle room...

...didn't the Lord ally himself with the pagan King Cyrus (Isaiah 45)?

 

[JonC]

Perhaps there's some wiggle room...

...didn't the Lord ally himself with the pagan King Cyrus (Isaiah 45)?

I'm not sure. God did use him and "raised him in His righteousness, made his way straight".

I do not think this would contradict those passages. But I have wondered to what extent Cyrus would be considered "righteous". I assume he held to the Persian faith, believing in one god (but this would not be in the context of the God of Israel).

There are a few passages like this. One would assume before God called him Abraham also held that pagan faith).

 

[Ascetic X]

I'm not sure. God did use him and "raised him in His righteousness, made his way straight".

I do not think this would contradict those passages. But I have wondered to what extent Cyrus would be considered "righteous". I assume he held to the Persian faith, believing in one god (but this would not be in the context of the God of Israel).

There are a few passages like this. One would assume before God called him Abraham also held that pagan faith).

In the Bible (e.g., Isaiah 45:13), God states He will raise Cyrus up in "righteousness". This was fulfilled when Cyrus conquered Babylon and issued a decree allowing the exiled Jewish people to return to their homeland and rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.

Cyrus was a pioneer of human rights. Historically, Cyrus was famous for his clemency and administrative fairness. He did not force conquered subjects to assimilate or convert. Instead, he allowed them to keep their customs, rebuild their temples, and worship their own gods.

Rather than ruling through sheer brutality or looting, Cyrus gained the deep respect of his subjects. Historians note he was often referred to as "father" by the people he absorbed into his empire.

 

[JonC]

In the Bible (e.g., Isaiah 45:13), God states He will raise Cyrus up in "righteousness". This was fulfilled when Cyrus conquered Babylon and issued a decree allowing the exiled Jewish people to return to their homeland and rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.

Cyrus was a pioneer of human rights. Historically, Cyrus was famous for his clemency and administrative fairness. He did not force conquered subjects to assimilate or convert. Instead, he allowed them to keep their customs, rebuild their temples, and worship their own gods.

Rather than ruling through sheer brutality or looting, Cyrus gained the deep respect of his subjects. Historians note he was often referred to as "father" by the people he absorbed into his empire.

Yes. Although not a disciple of the God of Israel it does not appear Cyrus acted unjustly. He did not, as far as we know, punish the just or clear the wicked. I do not kniw if a record of Cyrus putting the innocent to death. War may be another story, but warfare did not seem to fall under the category (killing in war was not, for example, the same as murder).

 

[Wesley Briggman]

I wish you would provide chapter and verse references to scriptures quoted.

[Psa 94:20 ESV] 20 Can wicked rulers be allied with you, those who frame injustice by statute?