You are much smarter than that AustinC. You have not answered any of my arguments. Stating your belief system and developing a cogent presentation from the scriptures where one can follow the logic are two different things. I have done that and you have not.
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Can You Come to Christ on Your Own Part II
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You are much smarter than that AustinC. You have not answered any of my arguments. Stating your belief system and developing a cogent presentation from the scriptures where one can follow the logic are two different things. I have done that and you have not.
JD, you claim I haven't answered you, but the responses I have provided prove your claim is wrong.
You are now falling on your "perceived" logic, but it is a worldly logic that is void of God's word. Scripture refutes you. That is all that is needed
I need to answer the question of the op. One cannot come to Christ on one’s own for a few different reasons. One reason is because salvation from the penalty of sin, which is the second death in the lake of fire, is by faith. God has told us how he has chosen to save sinners and his way is so simple that most men, especially the Baptists who post on this website has missed it, and even deny it, and have replaced it with another false way.
God inspired his preacher to tell us and so I will quote him. There will be people who will deny it flat out and some will attempt to make it say something else than what it says, and a few will believe it in its simplicity. Here it is from God.
1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect..
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it (the preaching of the cross) is the power of God.
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Ro 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it (the gospel) is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
No one can be saved without the human element. There must be a preacher. You cannot find anyone in the NT getting saved without a preacher. The Jews in Jerusalem, the Samaritans in Acts 8, the Eunuch in Acts 8, the gentiles in Acts 10 all had a preacher sent to them. God did not send a Bible, he sent a preacher who had been saved and knew how to tell someone else how to be saved.
I have read many comments by most commentators on this website and there is only a small handful who will believe the series of verses I am going to post now.
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (that comes out of the preachers mouth)
Faith in the gospel account comes no other way.
I cannot approve a Bible teacher that gets this wrong and teaches error about it.
God inspired his preacher to tell us and so I will quote him. There will be people who will deny it flat out and some will attempt to make it say something else than what it says, and a few will believe it in its simplicity. Here it is from God.
1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect..
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it (the preaching of the cross) is the power of God.
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Ro 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it (the gospel) is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
No one can be saved without the human element. There must be a preacher. You cannot find anyone in the NT getting saved without a preacher. The Jews in Jerusalem, the Samaritans in Acts 8, the Eunuch in Acts 8, the gentiles in Acts 10 all had a preacher sent to them. God did not send a Bible, he sent a preacher who had been saved and knew how to tell someone else how to be saved.
I have read many comments by most commentators on this website and there is only a small handful who will believe the series of verses I am going to post now.
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (that comes out of the preachers mouth)
Faith in the gospel account comes no other way.
I cannot approve a Bible teacher that gets this wrong and teaches error about it.
So, if a person just reads a Bible, they cannot be saved... according to you. Can you just go tell all those folks who read God's word, without a preacher, that their salvation is null and void?
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