Thomas Helwys
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Oh, dear, please be patient and have mercy on us poor inferior Christians who are not on the higher spiritual plane that you and other nutcase Charismatics are on due to your fictitious separate baptism of the HS.
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Can you name ANY with either gift to heal/do miracles today?
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Oh, dear, please be patient and have mercy on us poor inferior Christians who are not on the higher spiritual plane that you and other nutcase Charismatics are on due to your fictitious separate baptism of the HS.
plain_n_simple
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Okay, I'll have more patience.
It is also sad that they ignore the scriptures that say the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.
Paul made it clear the the gifts and calling of God cannot be revoked. The calling was His calling on Israel, and the word for "gifts" here is charismata, the same word used for the gifts of the Holy Spirit. God does not give the church any of His spiritual charismata and then do a recall and take back what is so needed to edify the body of Christ.
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Church members should never judge God's ability based upon the spiritual activity or the lack thereof in their local congregations.
Some churches suggest that the gifts have ceased because they have never seen a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. I think it is because there is little or no interest in spiritual gifts is the reason...unbelief...
The gifts were never revoked by God but are rejected by unbelieving and uninterested Christians.
Some churches suggest that the gifts have ceased because they have never seen a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. I think it is because there is little or no interest in spiritual gifts is the reason...unbelief...
The gifts were never revoked by God but are rejected by unbelieving and uninterested Christians.
evangelist-7
New Member
Calm down, SM, thou's a tad bit ahead of God's program!
God's end-time move of the Spirit started 100 years ago.
The lawless one hasn't arrived yet, but thou is ready, right?
Many hearty congrats!
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evangelist-7
New Member
Since we must ignore and forget Jesus' special Spirit baptism of anointing, which thou hasn't,
let us focus our attention on the 9 spiritual gifts in 1 Cor 12.
How many dost thou have?
Or did old Tommy say you couldn't have any?
In that case, thou art excused ... because Tommy is obviously to be taken over God's word.
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evangelist-7
New Member
Naaah, sorry, too obvious for those with UNBELIEF to believe.
UNBELIEF in God's precious and holy word!
'Tis a great shame and blight upon the church!
'Tis a long way from God's original church.
But, they love it that way.
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evangelist-7
New Member
Years ago in Bulgaria, we gave out many many thousands of these in the Bulgarian and Turkish languages.
For children and the elderly … The Way To God ... http://www.wmpress.org/wtg_text/engnkjv.htm
Originally designed for Muslims … How To Know God ... http://www.wmpress.org/hkg_text/engnkjv.htm
Follow-up for adults especially … Help From Above ... http://www.wmpress.org/hfa_text/engnkjv.htm
We also gave out thousands of NTs, Bibles, the world-famous “Jesus” film (videos/dvds), etc.
in the Bulgarian and Turkish languages.
The question is …
Why would Satan perform many miracles of healings …
which confirmed our validity, and the validity of these gospel materials?
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Thomas Helwys
New Member
No, obviously the cults started by Charles Parham and William J. Seymour are to be taken over God's word for you. Too bad those teachings didn't exist before 1900. They were invented by the aforementioned occultists, as they are nowhere to be found in scripture.
then jesus and his Apsotles MUST have taught 'false doctrines', as they did NOT espouse to us what you are claiming!
Are tyou really so arrogant to claim that N
NE in 1900 years received the truth that you claim? Caklvin/luthor/whitefield/Spurgeon/augustine etc ALL were spiritually blind?we HAVE to add gift of discernment to those whch ceased, as evidenced tby the fact that modern charasmatics cannot see the truth of scriptures, and see the HS involved in areas where its 'another spirit!"
you claim that you have the power same as jesus, as God Himself?
bible states that we have been in the last days since time of jesus, its just the end time events to come, and there is NO scripture that supports that God will have a "special move of the HS" as in 1905 to his church!
That is Latter day rain/manifest sons of God/Kingdom now heresy!
we know that ALL received the same Spirit, same amount/way, we know the sign gifts ceased, we know arrogance and pride not of the lord, so what spirit are you partaking of again?
starnge that the HS forgot to inform the teachers of the past these great truths, and had to use occult cultic teachers to receive those revealtions!
plain_n_simple
Active Member
Yes, it is a gift when you are baptized in the Holy Spirit. Without it, you will remain unarmed. It is available to every born again person.
evangelist-7
New Member
The Yeshua should know this ...
he was in leadership (and a prophet to boot) in a Pentecostal church for 10? years!
Okay, calm down ... you can stop laughing now.
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thank god that I repented and came to know the TRUE power available to all, its called walking in the Spirit, and abiding in christ!
strange that the Apsotle said that our "power" is in jesus, not in us, and that we fight by putting ont he fulla rmor of god, not be geting a second work of the HS, the baptism!
plain_n_simple
Active Member
You can remain an unbeliever if you wish, and you'll never receive any power.