Can you only be saved by reading KJV?

[PastorSBC1303]

I brought this up in another thread but thought I would throw it up here....A couple years ago I met an IFB KJVO pastor that told me that I was not saved because my mother led me to the Lord using an NIV Bible

I understand if people want to claim KJV as the ONLY Bible, I don't agree, but I understand it is their right. However, to determine a person's salvation by that standard is stepping over the line.

Any others that believe this or thoughts?

 

[Ed Edwards]

That is right out of the book:

Romans 10:9 (RRV = ruckman's revised version)

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved with a KJV.

 

[Jim Ward]

I am KJVO by conviction and I fully disagree that salvation can only come through the KJV as that would make Jesus to be a lair when he said that He was the way the truth and the life and that no-one comes to the Father except through Him (Jim paraphrase).

 

[Rosell]

Uh oh. I'm in trouble then. My Dad was a pastor and used a Greek New Testament almost exclusively, a practice he picked up from his Greek professor in seminary. By the time I was old enough to understand salvation, he was adept at sight translation and never used anything else.

But I guess the original language pales in comparison to the advances achieved in translation by 1611.

Let's see. I sincerely repented from my sin. I asked the Lord Jesus to wash away my guilt and restore me to a right relationship with God. I daily ask for His guidance and his strength to make the right decisions and live my life in accordance with his will. I've pastored two churches, as I felt led and called by the Lord. But all of that is invalidated by the fact that I've never even so much as read a single word of scripture, because I've never opened a King James Bible. So what do I do now?

 

[Rosell]

Why did I spend all that time,sweat and pain learning Greek?

 

[Precepts]

Anyone who believes you can ONLY get saved from preaching, get that now PREACHING!, from the KJB is most certainly misled and that would justify all the ismisticschizmaticism by the introduction of the label "KJVO" as it then being a false doctrine, but that is not what I or anyone I know believes, but we are STAUNCH AV 1611 KJB believers.

 

[Precepts]

Also, salvation is of the LORD, but aren't we all glad that salvation is not just limited to that very moment in time and God has more in store for us than simply saving our souls from the pits of hell? YES!

 

[Rosell]

Originally posted by Precepts:
Also, salvation is of the LORD, but aren't we all glad that salvation is not just limited to that very moment in time and God has more in store for us than simply saving our souls from the pits of hell? YES!

Amen to that!

But when a good Greek scholar can point out the inaccuracies and deficiencies of the KJV against other English translations, isn't it burying your head in the sand to use an outdated translation that isn't even accurate in its own language usage anymore?

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
That is right out of the book:

Romans 10:9 (RRV = ruckman's revised version)

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved with a KJV.

HEY EVERYONE! NOTICE HOW ANYONE LABELED AS KJVO IS THEN ALSO LABELED AS A RUCKMANITE? Ed, if that's what Ruckman believes that a person can only be saved out of the KJB he is WRONG.

BUT! If Ruckman is saying that the Truth of God's Word as found in the KJB is the only way a person can be saved, then he is right. Since I don't know what Ruckman actually believes and won't waste my time with it, I cannot say he believes or deosn't believe anything really.

If EVERYONE will make note: those against "KJVO" are really just trying to lump all KJB believers into the pile of Ruckmanites. We OBJECT!

 

[Orvie]

Originally posted by Precepts:
If EVERYONE will make note: those against "KJVO" are really just trying to lump all KJB believers into the pile of Ruckmanites. We OBJECT!

A Ruckmanite is a person who sees the Anglican Translation made in 1611, that they're essentially prophets instead of interpreters (as they called themselves). They exalt the translation and then in double standard fashion minimize what they said in their preface about multiple translations, etc...or even say they didn't really mean it...i.e., you've gotta reasearch the Original English.

Then, the Ruckmanite will turn around and minimize the very languages God Himself chose to inspire His Word, if those languages disagree w/ their worship; KJV;kjb. example: elpis doesn't mean hope in Heb 10:23, simply b/c the "Infallible" Anglican translators put faith there, it belongs, no matter what! Even though not one time the word is translated as faith , and over 50 times in the T.R. it's always translated hope, except in Heb 10:23. The Ruckmanite will twist and squirm and twist to show the English translators were superior to God's inspired writers
Does the shoe fit?

 

[pinoybaptist]

Can you only be saved by reading the KJB ?

Uhmmmm.... let me see. Is the Savior a KJV only ? Did Paul use the KJV ? Was there no Word of God before the printing press was discovered ? Is there a verse in the Bible, including the KJV, that says, Salvation if of the Lord, as found in the KJV. Selah. ?

Does Hebrews 4:12 say: "For the KJV is quick and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword...." ?



But, seriously, I don't believe anyone is saved by reading the Scriptures, or by hearing the preached Word of God. Conversion ? Yes. Saved from the pitfalls of sin in this world ? Yes. Discovering the truth about God as contained in His Word, and thus, experiencing repentance and Godly sorrow ? In all cases, they have already been regenerated before they experienced repentance and conversion.

 

[robycop3]

Yes, many people were, and WILL be steered to Jesus by the words found in the KJV. And many have been and WILL be steered to Jesus by the words found in the NIV. And found in the NASB. Found in the NKJV. And found in the Geneva Bible.

Whether or not those steered to Jesus in the future will be saved is between each of them and JESUS.

Faith comes by hearing; hearing by the word of God. But is that word limited in English to just the KJV? Absolutely NOT.

 

[mioque]

Rosell
"My Dad was a pastor and used a Greek New Testament almost exclusively, a practice he picked up from his Greek professor in seminary. By the time I was old enough to understand salvation, he was adept at sight translation and never used anything else."
Sounds just like our headpastor. Sometimes he has to have a quick look at my Bible a couple of minutes prior to the service to find out how the translation of the verse he is going to preach about is phrased in the version we are using.


"Why did I spend all that time,sweat and pain learning Greek? "
Because it is a beautiful language and learning different tongues truly teaches one to understand&appreciate the differences between various cultures, I guess. It also incidently makes one a better preacher, or so I have heard.

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by pinoybaptist:
Can you only be saved by reading the KJB ?

Uhmmmm.... let me see. Is the Savior a KJV only ? Did Paul use the KJV ? Was there no Word of God before the printing press was discovered ? Is there a verse in the Bible, including the KJV, that says, Salvation if of the Lord, as found in the KJV. Selah. ?

Does Hebrews 4:12 say: "For the KJV is quick and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword...." ?



But, seriously, I don't believe anyone is saved by reading the Scriptures, or by hearing the preached Word of God. Conversion ? Yes. Saved from the pitfalls of sin in this world ? Yes. Discovering the truth about God as contained in His Word, and thus, experiencing repentance and Godly sorrow ? In all cases, they have already been regenerated before they experienced repentance and conversion.

So were they regenrated while dead in tresspasses and sin, or were they dead in tresspassess and sins and needed regeneration? Ephesians 2 is emphatically clear in regards to what you said, you are WRONG. You don't even know what "regeneration" means. If things are like you believe there is no such thing as regenration, it would only be generation.

Also you would then deny II Corinthians 5:17.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Precepts said:

Ephesians 2 is emphatically clear in regards to what you said, you are WRONG.

Which part of Ephesians 2 ? There are 22 verses in that Chapter, last I looked.

And then he said:

You don't even know what "regeneration" means.

Oh, excuse me, professor, forgive me for offending your scholarship. Will you please explain to this stupid, ignorant fool what regeneration means ?

 

[Dr. Bob]

Jack Hyles laughed KJVO to scorn in 1970. Would not allow it in his church or new HAC college.

By 1980 he was making blanket pronouncements that "if one was not saved using the KJV then they are not truly saved."

These are on tape and published. No mistake.

About 20% or so of the ifb movement live and breathe Jack Hyles. What he said was THE way. His sycophants now hold to this same belief.

Jack, of course, knows better now. Too late.

So let's not have all the KJVO's say "Oh my" and wring their collective hands and say these are the Ruckamnite or lunatic. This is MAINSTREAM Hyles theology, folks.

 

[Precepts]

Mioque, I believe it takes God to make a man a "better" preacher, but the man does not have to know Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic to be a "better" preacher. We don't need to make Noah a "better" preacher by trying to say he had to know English to be a preacher of righteousness. It is men that say a man has to be a "better" preacher, God only wants the preacher to preach in righteousnes in the language the hearers understand, not what he says he understands the Greek, Hebrew, and the Aramaic to say. Too maare concerned with the man being a "better" preacher than they are about the Word itself.

We could readily look into the aspect of Moses, and his not being eloquent, then God giving him Aaron to interpet, but then we might have to try and dismiss the fact that Moses went to the top of Sinai and came down to find Aaron dancing around the golden calf. Now the people saw Aaron as the "better" preacher, but God saw Moses and Aaron. Moses obeyed God, Aaron? no.

 

[Precepts]

We're neither Ruckamnites nor "mainstream" Hyles theology folks, We are AV 1611 KJB believer's who know God. I never knew either of these men. I simply base my convictions on the Word of God and not any man.

 

[Dr. Bob]

You are following in his error. That is the analogy we are drawing. Ask your pastor about how he learned about the KJVO "doctrine"?

Chick tracts?
Ruckman/Riplinger?
Pensacola Christian College videos?
Hyles or one of his followers?
7th Day Adventists?

No one comes up with a position like "only" without having been influenced by some school of thought.

Hyles was a leader in such influence.

Now you know.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Precepts said:

We're neither Ruckamnites nor "mainstream" Hyles theology folks, We are AV 1611 KJB believer's who know God. I never knew either of these men. I simply base my convictions on the Word of God and not any man.

Oh, most of us can understand where you're coming from when you say this.

I am Primitive Baptist, and we are strictly Doctrines of Grace. And there are those here who adhere and believe and preach and teach the Doctrines of Grace and yet are persistently lumped with Calvinists.

So, you're not a Ruckmanite, nor a Hyles boy, but strictly KJV