canada land of the free or depraved

Um, teenage pregnancy is worse than sodomy. In practical terms, VERY few girls who are pregnant as teenagers (especially under 17) are married, meaning that they were engaged in premarital sex. Thus, both teenage pregnancy and sodomy are sins.

But sodomy, assuming it's in a monogamous, healthy relationship, is one of love and should not hurt anyone. In contrast, teenage pregnancy can damage the life of the teen, and the baby can often be disadvantaged and neglected. Unlike sodomy, it does real harm.

You're right: you shouldn't compare the two.

 

Colorado, The pastor of Midway Macedonia Baptist Church in Villa Rica told his congregation that he got the numbers from the local council of churches or council of Baptist churches. I was shocked too! We had almost 71,000 in our county in 2001. We have 150 churches in our county. I've written Pastor Wright's Sr. Pastor Assistant for verification on those numbers.

Brett, my point is, we need to evangelize America, starting in our own communities! IMHO we need to get the beam out of our (USA) own eye before attempting to remove the splinter out of another (countries) eye!

Diane

 

Teenage pregnancy, 99 times out of 100, if not higher, is the result of sinful premarital sex. The Bible says that your body is a temple of God, and smoking is willfully destroying that temple and creation of God.

Sin is sin.

 

I got this information about American's over the age of 18 off the link Peter101 provided earlier.

http://www.barna.org/cgi-bin/PageCategory.asp?CategoryID=38

 

The bottom line is that we all live in wicked and ungodly nations. There is no such thing as a "Christian nation" and never was. We are Christians among the nations and 1 Peter 2:9 says that the Church is God's only holy nation! Certain nations can be given to certain sins for various reasons, but depravity is depravity.
What our nations need is the preaching of the Gospel, not political lobbying by large numbers of "Christians". We are not primitive and helpless in Canada as believers, but yes our nation seems to be one of the leaders in political acceptance of homosexual wickedness.

 

First off I would like to begin by stating Canada has not approved premarital sex, Ontario has(although we sometimes like to think we are all of Canada), and BC looks to be next. However Christians should receive a second chance to correct this mistake when it comes before our Supreme Court.
Second, does this actually suprise anyone? I think it is commonly believed we are in the last days. There are 3 signs of a dying society, an increase in sexual immorality (of all kinds), sacrificing the young to the benefit/pleasure of the old (a great deal of abortions fall into this), as well as an increase in physical markings, piercings, tattoos etc. Canada is in trouble and perhaps the U.S. is in even more trouble. We have put our interest in the things we have, and a comfortable lifestyle instead of in God. This is exactly what Moses warned the Israelites of in Deut. 6:10-12
Canada is not a vast wasteland of moral decay by anymeans. As Jim 1999 pointed out we do have a strong Baptist Association in Canada, and we do have the ability to worship and praise God as we see fit, unlike many other nations world wide. I will not get into a debate about which country is worse off, because I think it is our duty to preach the word in all corners of the world, and there is much work to be done.
As a multicultural society (this phrase is inherently flawed, a topic for another forum), we for better or worse, (this time obviously worse), are more open to change and acceptance. But do not mistake this acceptance for passivity. Christians are still hopeful to get this overturned, "but if not" (Daniel 3:17-18) we will not bow down or bend the knee.

"And it shall be, when the Lord thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto they fathers, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildest not, and houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full; THEN beware lest thou forget the LORD, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage." Deut 6:10-12

"If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. BUT IF NOT, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up." Daniel 3:17-18

This isn't the first time our nations rulers have turned their backs on God and it, unfortunatley will not be the last.

 

Sorry previous post should have started off with Ontario approved gay marriage not premarital sex. I was reading other postings while typing, sorry

 

Hey, and Canada also does many things better than America, such as take care of its environment and make sure that health care is accessible to everyone. These are two things that America should take a lesson from our friends up north.

 

Tyfletch77,

As you may know, the Supreme Court is in the process of rewriting the law to concur with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

We do, however, have politicians fighting to get the wording in such a manner as Christian ministers are not forced to perform weddings.

As it stands, we are as close to being civil servants as we can get in regards to weddings, and if the wording isn't correct, we could be forced to do any and all marriages that come our way.

In my opinion, what the supreme courts, provincial and federal, are doing what the parliament should be doing; writing laws. It is not the courts job to write laws, only interpret.

Trudeau didn't do Canada any favours when he was in office, and he brought home a bad piece of literature.

Still, amidst the evil around us, there are some fantastic stories of great deeds being done in the Lord's name.

This we know for a certainty; all the elect will be saved. Our job is to preach the word. I believe, per capita, we have a fair number in Canada doing just that, even within the United and Anglican churches.

Cheers, and God bless,

Jim

 

This is a purely subjective statement. You are not comparing apples to apples. BTW, more or even seemingly stricter laws do not necessarily mean better environmental stewardship.

No it isn't. Their socialist health care delivery system necessarily requires rationing of services and long waiting lists. Our system while not perfect does a much better job of delivering health care to the masses. The exceptions are troubling but the Canadian system, especially considering the American reaction to the word "free", cannot work here. Additionally, socialism would stifle American research and development that ironically these socialist systems are dependent on.

 

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Then how do more or even seeming stricter laws about other things (e.g. sexual issues) necessarily mean the US is better than Canada in those areas?

No it isn't. Their socialist health care delivery system necessarily requires rationing of services and long waiting lists.
</font>[/QUOTE]*Sometimes* there is rationing and long waiting lists, but usually not - but "accessible to everyone" is still true.

I'd disagree, but I don't feel like debating it.

Canada has some of the finest and cutting-edge medical research and practice in the world, especially in areas like cancer research, heart surgery, etc. Our health care system hasn't stifled this one bit.

I've experienced first-hand the health care systems of both countries, and I much prefer Canada's. I realize I'm just one individual and that my experiences are not representative of the general population, but I must simply say that CANADA ROCKS.

BTW, about the moral condition of Canada, I'm glad Jim spoke up. Yes, the culture is a bit different, but we're anything but a vast missionfield filled with pagans. My home town has a population of less that 10,000, and we have at least 16 Christian churches. The city where I work, the population is about 700,000 and there are hundreds and hundreds of Christian churches. Send your missionaries up here if you want to (we'll take 'em!) but they probably won't do any more good up here than they will staying where they are. Sure, we probably have pockets of people/communities where missionary work is needed, but so do you. You think a few legal gay weddings in Canada can compare to (or are even worse than) the gargantuan, legal porn and legal abortion industries of the US? I don't. Yes, I realize these things are legal in Canada too, but when someone asks you "what's the porn capital of the world?" I doubt a Canadian city comes to mind.

 

Amen! very well put!

God says that if we as His people would humble ourselves and seek His face and pray and turn from our wicked ways
that He would hear our prayers, forgive us our sins, and heal our land.

the location of the verse escapes me at this time--- but do note that God is talking to His people (US) who are called by His name (Christians) and not the people who are of the world.

So I choose to pray for Canada and I ask that Canada prays for us. For we are all in this togetherand the land that we shall all share where true freedom lies--is still yet to come!

Man I for one cant wait---God bless

 

Not an equitable comparison but none the less the answer is no. However, pollution is often more of an awareness issue or an opportunity for innovation. It seldom calls in to question the morality of the perpetrator.

 

Of course not in quantity (because our population is 1/10 yours). But in quality? No doubt about it.

Anyway, I guess I just found it surprising (and a little annoying) the great country of Canada was getting labelled near-bankrupt morally over the gay-wedding thing. Sort of like the blind man who grabbed an elephant by the tail and thought he was holding a snake.

 

Ironically, Canada is one of the MOST multicultural countries in the world, and its largest city, Toronto, is THE most multicultural city in the world. Canada also has offered a great deal of research in the medical field, especially in sexual dysfunctions, which is really the only big medical field I know about with my training in marriage therapy. The Canadian Journal of Sexuality is the best in the business.

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BTW, I don't have any insurance, so if I lose an arm or something, Canada would look pretty good, wouldn't you say?

 

Jim1999,

Hello! I am very glad to hear from you (and I will certainly take your word for it) that many Anglican and United Churches up there in Canada are doing a great witness.

I am a bit hesitant, though, for perhaps these churches are doing much better work in your neck of the woods (Halifax, isn't it? Love that town) than they are elsewhere.

During my time in Vancouver (1989-1991), I was appalled at the extreme liberalism of the United Churches there, where homosexuality was very open and belief in God was optional. As for the Anglican Churches, --- well, Jim, you already know what is going on with the Diocese of New Westminster.

Jim, I always love reading your posts, and I look forward to each and every one of them.


mozier

 

No. Depravity leads to immoral actions. Immoral actions to not lead to depravity.

I will also add that Canada is no more depraved than the United States of America.

 

No. Depravity leads to immoral actions. Immoral actions to not lead to depravity.

I will also add that Canada is no more depraved than the United States of America. </font>[/QUOTE]Scott you are absolutely right.

It appears like Dr Bob says and that is we seem to be attacking each other when the real enemy is hiding in the darkness and accussing us before God.

Lets attack the real enemy here and that is sin, satan and our flesh, Jesus died for all of us, not just the USA or Canada, to tell the truth if we were to ask God, His opinion He would most likely say the whole world is equally corrupt, ther none that seek God.

This what we need to do and that is to return our focus to God and pray that He heals our lands. ask that God bind satan in the name and through the blood of Jesus, for it is Him and Him alone that is worthy!