Canada sending COVID positive travelers to 'internment' facilities

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

In honor of Progressive Leftist bashing of Tucker Carlson, I offer this “in the news” tidbit. As with all news and commentary, caveat emptor … and travelers too.

Tucker: Canada sending COVID positive travelers to 'internment' facilities

Tucker Carlson: COVID internment camps, coming soon to a country near you

The former is just the clip, the latter has a transcript. Here’s an excerpt to whet your appetite:

Suddenly, Canada is a flagrant violator of the most basic human rights. Fail a COVID test and they’ll lock you up without trial. Go ahead and try to disobey. According to the Canadian government, anyone who attempts to avoid detention in a government internment facility could face a million-dollar fine and three years in prison.

This is Justin Trudeau’s Canada. It’s funny, Trudeau always seemed like a cheerful idiot, wearing weird costumes and yammering on about diversity. Who knew he was Mussolini? There might be a lesson here for other nations led by shallow, neoliberal empty suits. Underneath all the chirpy identity politics talk, it’s not a joke. It’s interment cells.​

 

[Gold Dragon]

Be careful reading words written by a person who admits in court they have a reputation for making statements no reasonable person would take as fact.

In Australia mandatory 14 day hotel quarantine for all international travellers is working really well. We currently have had life pretty much back to normal for quite a while now with only a handful (less than 10 in NSW. Less than 30 nation wide) of locally spread cases in the last 3 months outside of return overseas travellers. People have been fined or charged trying to skirt around the quarantine rules.

Mask wearing is rare now. The economy is booming. The federal government is removing a lot of the covid related subsidies. We are meeting in person at church, singing and without social distancing this easter. Unemployment is now back down to 5.8%. Last year before the pandemic it was 5%.

Pandemics can be managed with good governance and good public health policy.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

...Pandemics can be managed with good governance and good public health policy.

Yeah, here we had a governor forcing COVID-19 infected persons into nursing homes. He was lauded for those mass murders by the Dem Progressive Left MSM.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Yeah, here we had a governor forcing COVID-19 infected persons into nursing homes. He was lauded for those mass murders by the Dem Progressive Left MSM.

Sending infected covid19 patients back to nursing homes is not good public health policy.

But things to consider include:
- at the time hospitals were getting crushed for space and staff
- it was like preparing for a war with the flood of patients to hospital and there was no time to prepare for better alternatives
- it is difficult when you have to choose from multiple bad options

Cuomo has rightly been criticized by the MSM for his handling of this and his reputation has not really recovered from it.

What We Know About Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...e74946-bfef-11ea-8908-68a2b9eae9e0_story.html

 

[Wingman68]

Sending infected covid19 patients back to nursing homes is not good public health policy.

But things to consider include:
- at the time hospitals were getting crushed for space and staff
- it was like preparing for a war with the flood of patients to hospital and there was no time to prepare for better alternatives
- it is difficult when you have to choose from multiple bad options

Cuomo has rightly been criticized by the MSM for his handling of this and his reputation has not really recovered from it.

What We Know About Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...e74946-bfef-11ea-8908-68a2b9eae9e0_story.html

The rest of your considerations were lies, as well. There were facilities set up to handle the ‘influxes’ that never really happened anyway, & they went unused. Some people can’t really handle the truth that the elderly were used as fear tactics to gain the submission of the masses. You are tiring, & not relevant to what is happening to our country. Butt out. Surely you can contribute in your own sphere, or is your sphere already submissed? Must be that. Good little leftist......going global, to win for the globalists. As I said.......tiring, but I’m not too tired to submit.

 

[Gold Dragon]

The rest of your considerations were lies, as well.

Those considerations do not justify a bad public health policy. But they should be considered.

There were facilities set up to handle the ‘influxes’ that never really happened anyway, & they went unused.

Remembering the actual history is important
March 7 - NY state of emergency declared
March 25 - Cuomo's nursing home policy implemented
March 30 - Javitz and Comfort available to take non-Covid19 patients
April 7 - Javitz and Comfort accept Covid19 patients
April 25 - Comfort recalled
April 28 - Javitz initiates plan to shutdown
May 10 - Cuomo rescinds nursing home policy

For the Javits and the Comfort, the reason they were mostly unused was also a policy problem but mostly of the military’s doing. Initially the policy was to not take covid19 patients. Then when they did take covid19 onerous transfer criteria to the facilities made it difficult to send patients there.

https://media.defense.gov/2020/May/18/2002302024/-1/-1/1/FAQ_USNSCOMFORT_V6.PDF

Q: Were patients being tested for COVID-19 before being transported to USNS Comfort? A: Initially, all patients being brought to USNS Comfort had received negative COVID-19 test results from their discharging hospital. In order to bring additional patients aboard and as an effort to provide greater relief to NYC hospitals, as of April 6, USNS Comfort began accepting critical and non-critical patients without regard to their COVID status. The Javits New York Medical Station continues to be DoD's primary facility for COVID-19 patients. Once admitted aboard USNS Comfort, patients were separated based on their COVID status, in order to prevent the spread of the disease.

Q: Was this change in procedure a result of some of the negative press surrounding the small number of patients that the USNS Comfort has taken since arriving in NYC? A: This is a complex situation that required us to continually assess the situation on the ground and the needs of the New York City hospitals. In order to admit more patients and relieve the pressure on the hospitals, it was necessary that we reassess our patient admission criteria to see how we could take on more patients. In order to protect our providers and our patients, we looked at ways to increase our patient population while mitigating the chance of transmitting COVID-19 on board. The Javits New York Medical Station and USNS Comfort together acted as an integrated system working together inside a larger New York City medical system, with support provided to New Jersey Hospitals

Here is a list of all the transfer criteria the military had after they started accepting Covid19 patients

https://www.gnyha.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/EPB-2020-034-attachment-1.pdf

COVID-19 positive or negative patients will now be admitted to the USNS Comfort. COVID-19 testing will be conducted on site at USNS Comfort when necessary. Testing prior to admission is no longer necessary.

Requirements for transfer:
o Patients should be transferred with a surgical mask in place.
o eFINDS wristband or eFINDS number assigned.
- All associated data entry to the eFINDS system will be done by HECC staff.
- If it is not feasible to assign an eFINDS number/apply a wristband prior to transferring the patient, the hospital should continue with the transfer. In these situations, the eFINDS registration will be done on site.
o Must have 5 days of all medications
o Must have face sheet
o Must have medical discharge summary
o Patient and family informed/educated about transfer o Laboratory and radiology reports
o Allergies identified
o No patient valuables

Exclusion Criteria: (USNS Comfort cannot support patients with these conditions at this time)
o Any patient requiring heart catheterization
o Congestive heart failure (CHF) with ejection fraction (EF) <35%; no automatic implantable cardiac defibrillator (AICD)
o Severe aortic stenosis
o ST-elevation myocardial infarction (STEMI)
o Type 1 non-ST-elevation myocardial infarction (type 1 NSTEMI)
o Unstable Angina, Aortic aneurysm (includes ascending or descending thoracic as well as abdominal)
o Aortic dissection
o Pituitary apoplexy
o Active gastrointestinal bleed
o Acute gastroenteritis/diarrhea
o Acute liver failure
o Choledocholithiasis/cholangitis
o Cirrhosis
o Inflammatory bowel disease
o Non-emergent/elective surgery
o Immune thrombocytopenia purpura (ITP)
o Massive pulmonary embolism (PE)
o Patients requiring plasma exchange or plasmapheresis
o Severe anemia/hemorrhage/massive transfusion. Can take s/p mass transfusion or any post op.
o Thrombotic thrombocytopenia purpura (TTP)
o Any immunosuppressed patients (transplant recipients, AIDS, neutropenia, active chemotherapy patients, patients receiving immunosuppressive therapy) (Case by case basis for some diagnoses)
o Bacteremia without cardiac imaging
o Clostridium difficile gastroenteritis (C-diff)
o Endocarditis
o Peritoneal dialysis
o Acute spinal cord injury
o Acute stroke (ischemic, hemorrhagic)
o Anything requiring electroencephalogram (EEG)
o Anything requiring magnetic resonance imaging (MRI)
o Cauda equine syndrome o Frequent non-convulsive seizure
o New neuromuscular disease requiring electromyeloencephalogram (EMG)
o New-onset seizure without imaging and electroencephalogram (EEG)
o Status epilepticus
o All neurosurgical procedures
o Cervical fracture
o Craniotomy
o Intracranial hemorrhage
o Ventricular drains
o Known pregnancy
o Foreign body deeper than anterior chamber. Can take anything more superficial
o Ruptured globe with enucleation
o Any patient requiring trans-esophageal echocardiogram (embolic stroke, endocarditis)
o Syncope (unexplained fainting)
o NO TPN

There are news articles of hospital staff complaining about being swamped with patients but having their transfer requests declined because of these criteria.

 

[Gold Dragon]

For the actual nursing home policies, I agree they were likely bad public health policy that contributed to the spread of covid19 in nursing homes. They were trying to prevent hospitals from overcrowding in a "war time scenario" and prioritized hospitals which is always a difficult call to make but still likely the wrong call in hindsight. All of them did require the nursing homes to follow quarantine guidelines but obviously that was difficult to do on such short notice and resulted in unnecessary infections and deaths.

NJ's policy from March 7 to March 31

No patient/resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the post-acute care setting solely based on a confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19. Persons under investigation for COVID-19 who have undergone testing in the hospital shall not be discharged until results are available. Post-acute care facilities are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized patient/resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission.

Information for healthcare providers on COVID-19 is available on the New Jersey Department of Health website at https:/Iwww.nLgov/health/cd/topics/covid2019 healthcare.shtml. As always, strict adherence to infection prevention and control measures and environmental cleaning must be made a priority during this public health emergency.

California's policy from March 1 to March 30

• SNFs shall not discriminate admits or readmits, nor transfer or discharge residents based on their status as a suspected or confirmed COVID-19 case. SNFs shall institute appropriate precautions to prevent the spread of infection to health care personnel and other residents as specified in AFL 20-25.2.
• SNFs shall follow their disaster response plan.
• SNFs shall follow infection control guidelines from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) and the CDC related to COVID-19.

Pennsylvania had their policy from March 18 to March 29

Nursing care facilities must continue to accept new admissions and receive readmissions for current residents who have been discharged from the hospital who are stable to alleviate the increasing burden in the acute care settings. This may include stable patients who have had the COVID-19 virus.
• Facilities should continuously consult the 2020 Health Alerts, Advisories and Updates for the most current information related to Test of Cure under the title “Interim Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Suspected or Confirmed COVID-19 in Healthcare Settings” See: https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/prep/PAHAN/Pages/2020-HAN.aspx.
• Nursing care facilities should continue to employ normal discharge-tohome criteria to assist in LTC bed availability. If there has been a positive case, then appropriate quarantine measures shall be taken at the direction of the Department of Health of the CDC.

Michigan did not have a forced readmission policy. The policy being criticized was implemented April 15 and included the following.

a. If the long-term care facility has a dedicated unit and provides appropriate PPE to the direct-care employees who staff the dedicated unit, the facility must transfer the COVID-19-affected resident to its dedicated unit

b. If the long-term care facility does not have a dedicated unit or does not provide appropriate PPE to the direct-care employees who staff the dedicated unit, it must transfer the COVID-19-affected resident to a regional hub, if one is available to accept the resident. If no regional hub is available to accept the transfer of the COVID-19-affected resident, the long-term care facility must attempt to send the resident to a hospital within the state that has available bed capacity. If no hospital will admit the COVID-19-affected resident, the long-term care facility must transfer the resident to an alternate care facility.

 

[Wingman68]

GD, which also stands for a blasphemy, likes to work for free. He/she can come up with countless ‘proofs’ to make the global cause seem reasonable. I can come up with ‘proofs’ as well, like the CDC changing their long standing methods of counting deaths due to the latest ‘health problem’. The numbers for covid deaths are now in the hundreds of thousands, but in their previous long held method.....under 10 thousand.

I would like to see the #’s for nursing home deaths in these 5 states as compared to the number of elderly in those states that died, but in my state of Michigan, you can’t avail yourself of that info, because they won’t release them. This governor vetoed legislation to end her nursing home death march. She was rewarded with being top of the DNC. She secured her place on the ladder of leftists willing to do anything for ‘the cause’.

Vaccine fun for today:Johnson and Johnson 'Vaccine' Leaves Man in Emergency Room As Skin Peels Off His Entire Body...Does This Happen With Normal Vaccines?

 

[Gold Dragon]

Vaccine fun for today:Johnson and Johnson 'Vaccine' Leaves Man in Emergency Room As Skin Peels Off His Entire Body...Does This Happen With Normal Vaccines?

If you are interested, the severe end of allergic reactions include two conditions that are actually variants of one condition : TEN (Toxic Epidermal Nercrolysis) and SJS (Steven Johnson Syndrome) which can both cause full body skin reactions that are quite devastating for the patient and potentially fatal. It is like a full body severe burn and sometimes the skin never recovers.

TEN and SJS can happen with anything that a person might be allergic to: medications, vaccinations, infections. Fortunately it is very rare. I have only seen one case in my experience so far and don't wish it on anyone.

 

[Gold Dragon]

BTW, there is more evidence that the rare clotting condition linked with the Astra Zeneca vaccine likely has a causal relationship. It is not used in the US so you guys don't need to worry.

In the UK and Europe where covid19 is running rampant, with how rare this clotting condition is (almost 1 in a million) while covid19 is very common makes the Astra Zeneca vaccine still worth doing.

However it is trickier in Australia where we don't have any covid19 at the moment. The TGA (our FDA) is still advising we go ahead with the vaccine being aware of this risk. The Astra Zeneca roll out so far has been slow because of supply issues but that has given us more time to evaluate risks. We will advise patients of this risk and warning signs to look out for. My workplace has not actually administered the vaccine yet but we are expecting supply next week and I will be getting my shot then as well. The risk of my future exposure to covid19 is high while the risk of getting this clotting condition after vaccination is very low.

Updated ATAGI statement for healthcare providers on a specific clotting condition being reported after COVID-19 vaccination

 

[Hannahande]

How about those who are Asymptomatic, are they also required to undergo the internment facilities?